From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My plans for VC mode Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:11:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141122133351.46279382C23@snark.thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416672729 21015 80.91.229.3 (22 Nov 2014 16:12:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: esr@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Eric S. Raymond) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 22 17:12:02 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XsDI2-0004jz-8F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:12:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45871 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsDI1-0004zT-OZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:12:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47341) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsDHr-0004z6-9A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:11:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsDHj-00083D-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:11:51 -0500 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:48324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XsDHj-000838-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:11:43 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id sAMGBgj6006196; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:11:42 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 71B9343AC; Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:11:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20141122133351.46279382C23@snark.thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Sat, 22 Nov 2014 08:33:50 -0500 (EST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5133=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5133> : inlines <1554> : streams <1346828> : uri <1835706> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178019 Archived-At: > This is going to break out-of-tree back ends - not in any way that is > fundamentally difficult to fix, but it will break them. I've already had > one polite complaint about that in email, but explained that we can't > be stuck with the cruft and the previous design mistakes forever. I'm fine with breaking backward compatibility. But then please try to find "all" the out-of-tree backends for Free revision control systems, and then try to find their maintainer to get them in the loop. If they're unmaintained, then we should post a message to the corresponding revision system's mailing-list telling them about the expected breakage. If you're about to redesign the backend API, I'll take the opportunity to include my pet wishitems for VC which I never got to address: - async operation for most operations (including "commit" and "status"). - generic support for shelve/stash. Stefan