From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Vivek Dasmohapatra <vivek@etla.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: custom-set-variables considered harmful
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 10:17:14 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvk1z07qon.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1711081401000.27794@platypus.pepperfish.net> (Vivek Dasmohapatra's message of "Wed, 8 Nov 2017 14:23:00 +0000 (GMT)")
I think you misunderstood my suggestion. E.g. look at how VAR3 is
handled in my example:
'(VAR3 VAL3)
is turned into
(customize-set-variable VAR3 VAL3)
rather than into
(setq VAR3 VAL3)
The idea was that VAR3 is a variable with a :setter.
> In the former case (or similar cases) the user might copy the setq and then
> be surprised that it does not work as expected.
This is already a problem since '(VAR VAL3) doesn't do what the user
intended when copied outside of the custom-set-variables block. The new
doesn't aim to guarantee that copy&paste always works. It just aims to
get a bit closer.
E.g. note that using customize-set-variable doesn't solve the problem
completely either (there are differences in terms of *when* the settings
is applied), but it will often work.
> In the latter, they would copy the setq, alter the value (possibly to
> an "illegal" value) and then be surprised it didnt work.
While the change I propose doesn't solve this problem, it doesn't make
it worse either, AFAICT.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-11-08 15:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-11-04 17:10 custom-set-variables considered harmful Stefan Monnier
2017-11-06 9:02 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-06 12:19 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-06 16:36 ` raman
2017-11-07 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 10:06 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-08 14:23 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-08 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2017-11-08 15:34 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2017-11-13 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24 7:04 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-24 7:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-24 17:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-11-24 17:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-26 12:15 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-26 16:30 ` Drew Adams
2017-11-28 14:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-28 16:50 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-01 9:44 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-11-29 3:36 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-29 15:03 ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 20:42 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-02 0:10 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-02 1:58 ` Drew Adams
2017-12-02 5:56 ` Teemu Likonen
2017-11-29 16:35 ` Elias Mårtenson
2017-11-29 19:57 ` Scott Randby
2017-11-29 22:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-30 0:40 ` Scott Randby
2017-12-01 9:51 ` Philippe Vaucher
2017-12-04 13:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:05 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-04 23:50 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-05 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-11-23 20:12 ` John Wiegley
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