From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517595678 23663 195.159.176.226 (2 Feb 2018 18:21:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 18:21:18 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stephen.berman@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: George Plymale II Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 19:21:13 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehfx5-0004IE-IM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 19:20:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46794 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehfz6-0001Bf-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 13:22:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehfbn-0004fs-ET for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:59:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehfaj-00007l-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:58:43 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:45662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehfaj-00006n-4w; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:57:37 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w12HvRa7018587; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 12:57:28 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id AD0DB604C6; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 12:57:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (George Plymale, II's message of "Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:19:25 -0500") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6214=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6214> : inlines <6359> : streams <1777832> : uri <2585191> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222426 Archived-At: >> Given the above, I believe you now realize that this was a mistaken >> interpretation. You retain all the rights, you just give the FSF the >> ability to enforce the copyright if needed. > Which copyright does one give the FSF the ability to enforce? Only the copyright holder can sue someone for infringement. AFAIK the things you lose when transferring your copyright to the FSF are: - the ability to transfer your copyright to someone else (because only the copyright holder can transfer his copyright to someone else (note that the copyright holder cannot not "copy" his copyright he can only transfer it)). This is not something the FSF really needs/wants which is why there is that clause that says that the FSF gives you the right to do anything you like with your work (i.e. to gives you back as much of the copyright holder's rights as it legally can). - the ability to sue someone for infringement (because only the copyright holder can do that) which is one of the main reasons the FSF wants to have the copyright. - the ability to prevent the FSF from licensing your work under some licence with which you happen to disagree (tho, IIRC, the paperwork you sign does include some clause promising that your work will stay under some kind of Free licence, tho, to try and make sure that there's not much point for to buy/infiltrate the FSF, since changing the licenses to be non-Free would break all those copyright assignments). Stefan