From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Make all tree-sitter modes optional Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83o7rexe2n.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6x5xym7.fsf@gnu.org> <83h6wr6gmz.fsf@gnu.org> <868ri140sr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83fsc92gbz.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz6ccagy.fsf@gnu.org> <838rgzaqmj.fsf@gnu.org> <7bad77ae-a176-d49b-5115-dbadf7e6d1bc@yandex.ru> <83cz6aaeys.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31448"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, acm@muc.de, juri@linkov.net, casouri@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, theo@thornhill.no, jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 15 20:53:58 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pSNqo-0007sH-4d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 20:53:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSNqD-00040l-Oh; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSNqC-0003pv-B4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSNqA-0006FC-9v; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:20 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 39879442854; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:16 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id AF714442860; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:10 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1676490790; bh=aRtzu8pDd3T0fUyu+GgDgHNEg++r8Qah/Z2tWnaJTFA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=mQMzBmGHK5rrCvU+3wiAMPt9jr921c7NlBRDgbM5/XvZxOSgcu5+MlMgF2jVMZuoo rFzmQzIJS3AyezxXJ81gmmwu+2wVJrMLgHUeeO2SHoGiwG/iG4ktK2hPGLC8JJmWw0 SkeSVTA8M2J1Bjy45FUclsFJFaZjCklIrhK6UK49mBX6hUe+JJjIMzHJp0i5F2PDsz sP7EPODSkLTx0jocvNrNMGgx37VmQCdOuWD/FLN4+uucLtc79Fh3OQJbrze7yAw0rj z8qduz7Yh72ykYOAPN4dgpXvOGbFG7WWRVbNCIU0FrrVdPXE6PpKK6RSen6NpV1NGy wEnyJWwO1mOzA== Original-Received: from pastel (104-222-113-2.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.113.2]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 346791230BB; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 14:53:10 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83cz6aaeys.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:47:07 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303338 Archived-At: >> We should never recommend (require ) as a way to change Emacs's >> behavior, since it directly conflicts with our convention that loading >> a file should not significantly alter Emacs's behavior. > > We never do -- except in this case. Practical considerations trump > elegance, at least sometimes. The convention is not one of elegance but one of pragmatic concerns, because files can get loaded unexpectedly. (c-ts-activate) is no harder to write than (require 'c-ts-mode), so I really can't see the "practical consideration" that justifies such a decision. Stefan