From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86tthjcxd1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22883"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, Alan Mackenzie , stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 23 21:53:15 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTGz-0005dA-0t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:53:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTGC-0000Uo-Ev; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTGA-0000UQ-Uk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTG9-0001nu-5s; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:22 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DB7BA80B3D; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:18 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1719172337; bh=xq7dsPLMJR42/hJGP3oTKr73qzJdXDmDQhZeRGihkeA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=fsLnGfqW7CBcf68Kp+8f/KPisFdm69UtKOSrh6WtVySJafp2iUquFMls/bIoprzH4 /2HmmbFpXGmtZUJTyyqoQTeBdVVAewMisa0PFZ0pyxruEzyjF7MbS97fIuy8/Llpno JUUyhWZdkuL3kIA8CCYarRIj79L3n2cw8+0uo7FcJMOaNj2Aqzc44euyDcqkXK2AxM tRAq62ujqmLIcyOFKvo6EuP0BCiBYlui76kKBHwhsKf13Bi7GtrZ4A04u2jax3ZUJ7 Cj8XONCTeFfrk2IWh+yGtK2PBuEz48BNfVPcL/mFn7Hxko9H4wWqtvZDWNyeqJ3HwU VHYWhcdfgVhyQ== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A3D148053A; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [24.140.236.196]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 673F1120497; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:52:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <86tthjcxd1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:44:42 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320567 Archived-At: > Does anyone have a problem with an optional package which, when > loaded, binds some keys to its commands? I do: merely loading a file shouldn't make such changes. I assumed the idea is rather to add keybindings maybe in `bindings.el` of the form `[mumble] [ModifierMumble]-` to autoloaded commands. So `windmove` would still not be preloaded and there'd be no interaction with `windmove-default-keybindings`. One proposal was to use `C-x 4` for `[mumble]`. Not sure what should happen with the modifiers (to choose between the various options of selecting another window, moving the current buffer to that other window, ...). Stefan