From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Lost functionality in buffer item in menu bar from 22 to 23... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <21ff1e64-8d78-41b4-b7f8-f15db9529e6f@z35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <2f1f4d43-29e3-4a5b-a787-5ce8ce2563b0@d37g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272997417 4012 80.91.229.12 (4 May 2010 18:23:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:23:37 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 04 20:23:36 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9MmM-0002bE-6k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 20:23:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44460 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9MmL-0007G1-9M for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 May 2010 14:23:33 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!news1.google.com!npeer02.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe11.iad.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QN/4RiXW2kTIfbpu2Ov26ywnOWU= Original-Lines: 36 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@UsenetServer.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:54:28 UTC Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:177541 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:73034 Archived-At: > I renamed the menu-bar.el.gz, menu-bar.elc, tmm.el.gz, and tmm.elc > files from emacs 23.1 and then copied the same files from emacs 22.3 > to the 23.1 lisp directory. When something gets worse between versions, the first thing to do is check etc/NEWS to see if the change was conscious and if so how to revert it in your .emacs. In this case, I think the etc/NEWS won't say anything, which means you should report it via M-x report-emacs-bug. > The end result was no change in the behavior of the buffer menu bar > item in tmm-menubar. Pressing F10 then "b" gave me just the same four > options, with no list of open buffers. There's something going on > beyond the tmm and menu-bar files. Indeed, I see the problem: the GUI's menu bar gives me all the buffers, but F10 b only shows me the 4 other choices. Please M-x report-emacs-bug. > This is a little frustrating because the Emacs 22 buffer item in tmm- > menubar makes buffer switching [I]very[/I] easy: Hit F10, b, and the > first letter of the buffer I want. Then the menubar buffer goes away > and the buffer I selected is up. We (Emacs maintainers) usually don't pay too much attention to the actual structure of the menus: we assume the menus are only used for "advertisement" purposes, so we care about the fact that the structure makes sense and makes commands easy to find, but not so much about whether a command is quick to access. I.e. as soon as you use a feature often enough to care about where the command is located in the menu, you should try and use a key-binding instead. E.g. for buffer switching there are many different options available which might suit you even better, starting with just C-x b, or refined via iswitchb, etc... Stefan