From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: AUCTeX Mode Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:21:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4F22604C.8090507@alice.it> <4F2518D5.1090208@alice.it> <4F28748A.1050103@alice.it> <87pqdztfj5.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328106096 3698 80.91.229.3 (1 Feb 2012 14:21:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 14:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen?= Fenn , emacs , Angelo Graziosi To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 01 15:21:34 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsb3w-0003ys-Qm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:21:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41216 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsb3w-00053o-2B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:21:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsb3t-00052L-1f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:21:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsb3n-00011x-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:21:25 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:55845) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rsb3d-00011I-Kj; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 09:21:09 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4GAHRJKU9MCqD0/2dsb2JhbABDq3ODB4EGgXIBAQQBViMQCw4mEhQYDSQth2K4eYtcEgICAwYCBAIBBAICDAYNhB4BBAQegzkEiEGaeoRY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,601,1320642000"; d="scan'208";a="160665890" Original-Received: from 76-10-160-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.160.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 01 Feb 2012 09:21:08 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4F5AB59473; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:21:08 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87pqdztfj5.fsf@gnu.org> (Chong Yidong's message of "Wed, 01 Feb 2012 11:10:22 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.183 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148087 Archived-At: >> any news? which is the final decision? > We won't do it in Emacs 24.1 for sure, since we are well into pretest. FWIW, I'm not generally happy with keeping large externally-maintained packages in the Emacs repository, because synchronization is always a source of trouble. Gnus currently works very well (which has not always been the case), with a smooth two-way sync done on a very regular basis, but this requires manual work, i.e. someone dedicated, and noone knows what will happen when this someone loses interest (which will happen sooner or later). I.e. good will and general agreement on both sides (which can usually be taken for granted, luckily) is often insufficient. So I think that if we move AUCTeX into the main `emacs/trunk' repository, that should mean that either there's some well-oiled two-way sync going on, or the Emacs repository is made to be "the canonical upstream" for AUCTeX. Another option is to keep AUCTeX in `emacs/elpa' and include it in the distributed tarballs. I think such a setup is a good strategy for several packages. But for that, someone needs to figure out how to do it (it = include some ELPA packages in the Emacs tarball). Stefan