From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: configurable means hard? [was: ... easier explanation how to setup gnus ...] Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:02:06 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761v9fp6k.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> <1851107a-51f8-4514-a47d-0d0a6ce4fc4b@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376489120 13730 80.91.229.3 (14 Aug 2013 14:05:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 14 16:05:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9bhP-0008G6-KU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:05:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9bhP-00018S-6g for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:05:19 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 52 Injection-Info: mx05.eternal-september.org; posting-host="5f9eb4794e6106418b4e0289199f5f03"; logging-data="16677"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/cUraly+zFC6HNtaqRA69M" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:E0TZE7gTQ22Mq5H+TzsnSzfj/O8= sha1:fH2Z/1Bahui/SE+vwSck2PgjTfY= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200612 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92879 Archived-At: > File > - Why do I have five print options, and what's the difference? Because Emacs doesn't offer a good way to print, so we offer various workarounds (I wish I were kidding). > Edit > - What's a "face"? I don't see that word in the menu. The closest I see is "Text properties", which is indeed probably not what current non-Emacs users expect (they'd probably expect some kind of customization panel). > Tools > - Why do I read Net News with Gnus and send mail with Gnus > but *read* mail with RMAIL? Good point. This is the kind of thing you can report via M-x report-emacs-bug. > - Why doesn't encryption work?[1] Not sure what that means. > I don't mean to suggest these questions don't have answers--clearly > they do. But these are things I thought of in the 30 seconds it took > me to conduct my thought experiment, and I only actually tried to do > two things: open a new window (i.e., what I "thought" was a window was > a frame and vice versa) and use the menu to encrypt a file. I'm sure > there are more. No doubt. It's very helpful for users to report those things, because most Emacs coders hack on Emacs for their own benefit and taking a step back and trying to imagine oneself as a new user can be time-consuming if not difficult. > Complexity itself is not a problem, per se; but the presentation of that > complexity can be, and usually is. I just think Emacs in general and > Gnus in particular needs some work in that regard. Very much agreed. Help is welcome. > [1] Incidentally, I appear to have discovered what might be a very minor > bug in 24.3, as well; when you select a file to encrypt but gpg is > not installed, you get a "permission denied" error, not a more > accurate "file not found" error. Actually it should say something like "can't find gpg". That also can be reported via M-x report-emacs-bug. Stefan