From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429490621 12700 80.91.229.3 (20 Apr 2015 00:43:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 00:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Philipp Stephani , emacs-devel To: Artur Malabarba Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 02:43:33 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YjzoC-0006M7-8l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2015 02:43:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51369 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YjzoB-0002Ui-Bg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35762) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjzo8-0002Uc-Mt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjzo5-0003VN-Hq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:28 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:40667) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yjzo5-0003VH-D4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:25 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t3K0hKSp002612; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:20 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7AB3E282C; Sun, 19 Apr 2015 20:43:20 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Artur Malabarba's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2015 09:04:29 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5281=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5281> : inlines <2753> : streams <1425332> : uri <1910904> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185682 Archived-At: > As I keep saying, this won't solve the issue where the user can't `require' > packages in his init file until package initialize has been manually > called. That's what prompted this whole thread and it's explained in the > first email. Indeed, for this use-case, adding "(package-initialize)" explicitly in the ~/.emacs seems like the best solution. Of course, as mentioned, having `require' in one's ~/.emacs should be rare. Stefan