From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.orgmode Subject: Re: Why does evaluating a piece of Elisp code seemingly not expand a macro? Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:54:51 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a8o7duj6.fsf@mbork.pl> <878u3rcdpu.fsf@gmail.com> <87io2r95n2.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453125343 15317 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2016 13:55:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 18 14:55:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aLAHJ-0002M6-EK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:55:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59900 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLAHJ-0005V3-1l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:55:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55997) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLAH6-0005T8-Aw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:55:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLAH2-0006iT-BB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:55:16 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:55009) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLAH2-0006iI-5J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:55:12 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aLAGu-00029b-HL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:55:04 +0100 Original-Received: from 23-91-143-239.cpe.pppoe.ca ([23.91.143.239]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:55:04 +0100 Original-Received: from monnier by 23-91-143-239.cpe.pppoe.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:55:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 23-91-143-239.cpe.pppoe.ca User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:n4oMenq71FtxsTmLS34xvzo30Hs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:108767 gmane.emacs.orgmode:104299 Archived-At: > Does it mean that C-M-x is different than loading? Yes. > Or C-x C-e, for that matter? As well. > Is this covered by the manual? (If not, it might need correcting.) Not really. The basic idea is that macroexpansion can take place *anytime* (tho, before the code is actually executed). If you care about when expansion takes place you probably have a bug. Stefan