From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Where is Emacs Lisp taught ? Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5B8BFDC9-A07B-48FE-8C97-1BB0B84E5577@gmail.com> <865zxruycx.fsf@zoho.com> <875zxr7zke.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> <868t2lsvdm.fsf@zoho.com> <87mur19bnc.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1540568869 31462 195.159.176.226 (26 Oct 2018 15:47:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 15:47:49 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 26 17:47:45 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gG4Ku-00087A-Pj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:47:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG4N1-0007dv-9a for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:49:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG4IT-0003mJ-5A for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:45:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG4Ee-00009W-NI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:41:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=34906 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gG4Ee-00008w-G9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:41:16 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gG4CW-0006Nu-6z for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:39:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 13 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:6mdXGtFVLkP6diFoUeZhzfeNmjM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:118420 Archived-At: > What I’ve heard personally is about inconsistency in the language as a > library/interface, and slowness due to naive implementation of lisp, > absence of compiler, commitment to a truely maximally dynamic > architecture, and simplicity (you can’t extend the reader for instance, > contrarily to both cl and TeX). BTW, regarding reader macros, the reason why I opposed it was not "simplicity" but because I consider it to be a misfeature in the form it's done in CL and TeX, and even with alternative designs there's still the issue of the security impact to let `read` run arbitrary code. Stefan