From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 13:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1x-DbWgcZMdiPFDLLFw7ZLJDqXHZARTR5c8sWR5zCocut6rLXMapS3w3Jzyol9TtXEANieVR9vGhD26962x_H4a1PpRb9ACryG9CX35Zd0s=@protonmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="20391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Emacs developers To: ndame Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 14 19:49:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHzH-0005CT-VB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 19:49:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33948 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHzH-00031Y-0e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:49:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43670) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHya-0002MZ-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:12619) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZHya-0002YS-3h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:48:56 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1D61F10031E; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6B6D81002CF; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:48:53 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589478533; bh=mKH5+mJIEA3ETZXHfn/QJ8MTzto6DIzR/yfgCvgGRno=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=JlI5H57lpjYKdBEHStEbP9ymsDk96bZh7YMn8+1PfGJlpErbp3Tc4jlpcVQyQOppt Krpzz1YwciL81iz6y3t+j0k7I71vvq85LebPJAMDoq53w3yixagma1/nR1DE7Qqlxg 7IjP9EH34qBQ2IlOV4Q5Vq/SQeo+K94Cze4QJ4+BpGATWpOmpEKwgmtT99XH/k0INn vOba4RpDPUuF6fzoD1E+cMbaT2y5DpfJCLFZzsVbymmJLKrAq2W4UDcKOpvQD9gAoN Sx7zDOQuIjZzJDAoVukDR7uRrjaJEF96Q0kHGnGB0YOcaJPOqL5MO6mi1EMBWuoJE4 DU/SSCxVQmuYQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.3.202]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F0F61120268; Thu, 14 May 2020 13:48:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1x-DbWgcZMdiPFDLLFw7ZLJDqXHZARTR5c8sWR5zCocut6rLXMapS3w3Jzyol9TtXEANieVR9vGhD26962x_H4a1PpRb9ACryG9CX35Zd0s=@protonmail.com> (ndame@protonmail.com's message of "Thu, 14 May 2020 17:11:25 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/14 13:41:42 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250270 Archived-At: > Yes, the only thing vscode doesn't have is rapid prototyping, extending the > environment quickly. Writing an extension for it is much more cumbersome (no > built-in docs for the api either, you have to browse the web for that), but > most users don't write extensions anyway, they just want to use existing > ones, so this doesn't concern them. Indeed, I think what sets Emacs apart, really, is the effort that's been made since the very early design to try and abolish the boundary between "user" and "developer" and make it as easy as possible to get something going. Stefan