From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: frame-local variables weirdness Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:56:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <858x65lh4m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1192820281 25085 80.91.229.12 (19 Oct 2007 18:58:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 19 20:58:01 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Iix2h-0001YF-5V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:57:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iix2Y-0003Co-H9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:57:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Iix2U-0003CX-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:57:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Iix2Q-0003BU-9I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:57:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Iix2Q-0003BL-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:57:38 -0400 Original-Received: from tomts16.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.4] helo=tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Iix1k-00040v-H1; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([74.12.207.168]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20071019185646.MCYM574.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@pastel.home>; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:56:46 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2D9B57FB8; Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:56:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri\, 19 Oct 2007 13\:42\:23 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81244 Archived-At: > I don't like the idea of forbidding the mixing of frame-local and > buffer-local bindings just because we haven't figured out the bug > that makes them not work. > If we understood the problem, and saw that fixing it would be hard, > that could be a valid reason to document it instead of fix it. It's probably not hard to fix: but it'll take us time and energy for a feature that nobody has ever used. And the fix will probably make the code a bit more complex, require a few more fields in some structure, etc... I simply think we should move in the direction of dropping frame-local variables in favor of something else. A first step in that direction is to disallow the more complex aspects of frame-local variables which have never been used and thus do not deserve to be supported. Stefan