From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: longlines-show-hard-newlines - should not the default be t? Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <485DA2E7.3010207@gmail.com> <873an6l098.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <485E2345.8060605@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214136729 22363 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2008 12:12:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel , Miles Bader To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 22 14:12:52 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KAOR9-0001XX-J5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:12:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45937 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAOQK-0003we-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:12:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAOQF-0003vQ-Uh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KAOQE-0003tv-Dq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38913 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KAOQE-0003tm-Af for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:33549) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KAOQ9-0002F1-CV; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:49 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtIEADLeXUjO+KWv/2dsb2JhbACBW6ty X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.27,685,1204520400"; d="scan'208";a="23067643" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2008 08:11:48 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.165.175]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id CSH89048; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:48 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7031583BA; Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:48 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <485E2345.8060605@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 22 Jun 2008 12:02:45 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99683 Archived-At: > I often get frustrated by the fact that hard newlines are not displayed in > other applications. For example trying to cowrite something with someone > unaware of this may be a lot of extra work. Yes, it's a pain in the association list. When using the display-wrapping code, we have some info in the fringes, but to b honest, I'm not very satisfied with them either: they work great when some lines are wrapped, but they're not so hot when most lines are wrapped. In that case, I'd much prefer that instead of adding the curly arrows in the fringe on 90% of the lines, we add a paragraph-icon in the fringe of the few lines that do not wrap. Stefan