From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bell Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4BA0CDF9.40707@online.de> <76682E4761EA432EB929E5E199B0F92A@us.oracle.com> <87wrxb57e1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20100317.200901.408057447.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <87sk7y2gh9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpelic8g.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <878w9ox1x4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3z074fs.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87tyscysm2.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87mxy23b3f.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <88262642C6164CD2872637E1309A66CB@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269221436 13506 80.91.229.12 (22 Mar 2010 01:30:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Juri Linkov' , 'Chong Yidong' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Miles Bader' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 02:30:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtWTO-000079-Av for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 02:30:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtWTN-000535-Ie for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NtWTI-00051F-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54217 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtWTF-0004wo-Dp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtWTE-0008SF-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:21 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:65339 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtWTE-0008S6-3g; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:20 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAMZkpkvO+IPa/2dsb2JhbACbOXS5IIR9BIsd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,284,1267419600"; d="scan'208";a="58774073" Original-Received: from 206-248-131-218.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.131.218]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 21 Mar 2010 21:30:19 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 775D1660FC; Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:30:19 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <88262642C6164CD2872637E1309A66CB@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122439 Archived-At: > What's pointed out by the discussion so far is not that the bell > should go away, or that it should be replaced by the visual bell, or > that the visual bell should be improved, or that `ding' should be > called less, or that `ding' should be removed, or that `C-g' should > not ring the bell. > Rather, what's called for is a way to mute `ding' in a flexible > way. What Juri suggested wrt putting a silence property on function > symbols, and what I suggested wrt binding a silence variable, would > provide what's needed. And maybe there are other suggestions. > Once we have ways to flexibly silence `ding' in various contexts, then > we can decide just where to do so. And users themselves will be able > to easily do likewise. I understand what you say, but I disagree. #include "my earlier post" Stefan