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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: bug-gnulib <bug-gnulib@gnu.org>,
	cyd@stupidchicken.com, Jim Meyering <jim@meyering.net>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	jan.h.d@swipnet.se
Subject: Re: Still unable to build trunk
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:01:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvhbczrud1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:23:39 -0800")

>> It sounds harsh to me to ask every one who builds out of VCS to have
>> to climb such a steep curve.
> I dunno, I just started doing some Emacs development after
> about five years' absence, and it was a pretty steep learning
> curve for me.

We decided a long time ago that it should be possible to build Emacs
from the VCS without autotools.  While I don't like having `configure'
and other auto-generated files under the control of the VCS, we've
learned to live with it and some of those files are related to bootstrap
rather than to autotools, so even if we change the decision, we'll still
be left with such files.
IOW, we still wantfor people to be able to build Emacs from the VCS
without needing autotools.  If that means keeping aclocal.m4 under the
control of Bzr, then so be it.

> For example, nowhere is it stated that one really should use the
> obsolescent Python version 2.6.6, and that the current Python versions
> 2.7.1 and 3.1.3 do not work well with the current bzr version.  I had
> to find that out myself, the hard way, by making hard-to-diagnose
> screwups.

That's because noone knows that: the python mode is poorly maintained.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-24  1:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-20 18:47 Still unable to build trunk Chong Yidong
2011-01-20 19:39 ` Jan Djärv
2011-01-20 22:16   ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-21 20:42     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22  1:29       ` Chong Yidong
2011-01-22  7:25         ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-22 15:03           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 15:33             ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 17:35                 ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 18:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 18:47                     ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 19:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-23 20:08                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-23 21:23                 ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24  1:01                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-01-24  1:22                     ` Miles Bader
2011-01-24  8:48                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-24 16:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-08  4:22                         ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-03-08 19:51                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-10 16:10                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2011-03-15 20:22                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 21:52                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-15 22:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:37                                   ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-15 22:58                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  4:05                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  4:14                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  4:17                                         ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  5:53                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  6:39                                           ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16  8:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:08                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 10:47                                                   ` joakim
2011-03-16 11:53                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 12:25                                                       ` joakim
2011-03-16 12:42                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:54                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 20:40                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 11:33                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16 11:21                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-03-16  6:43                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16  8:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16  9:23                                               ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 10:37                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 17:17                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 17:45                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 18:16                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:20                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:13                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 18:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 15:34                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 18:09                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-16 19:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-16 20:56                                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-17 20:36                                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-17 20:44                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-17 20:51                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-18  2:02                                         ` Paul Eggert
2011-03-16 18:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-16 19:13                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-28 20:29                           ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] chad
2011-03-28 20:58                             ` A better autogen.sh Glenn Morris
2011-03-28 21:45                               ` Chad Brown
2011-03-28 21:51                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  1:17                               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  2:21                                 ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29  3:36                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-29  6:39                                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-29 12:09                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 12:19                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2011-03-29 12:23                                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 14:13                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 15:25                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-29 16:38                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-03-29 18:46                                             ` chad
2011-03-30  6:15                                               ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 11:27                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 12:03                                                   ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 17:48                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 19:26                                                       ` Jim Meyering
2011-03-30 20:02                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-03-30 20:14                                                           ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-30 21:36                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-30 21:41                                                               ` Glenn Morris
2011-03-31 14:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-03-28 21:57                             ` A better autogen.sh [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 18:14                   ` Still unable to build trunk Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-24 20:58                     ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-24 21:07                       ` Andreas Schwab
2011-01-24 22:47                       ` Glenn Morris
2011-01-25  6:01                         ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-25 19:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-25 20:14                             ` Savannah loggerhead [was Re: Still unable to build trunk] Glenn Morris
2011-01-26  0:44                             ` Still unable to build trunk Richard Stallman
2011-01-26  3:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 12:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-26 13:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-26 13:35                         ` Andy Moreton
2011-01-26 13:42                         ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27  9:38                           ` Jim Meyering
2011-01-27 11:16                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 11:20                               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-01-27 11:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-27 18:27                                   ` Paul Eggert
2011-01-29 11:49                                     ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 12:19                                       ` Darren Hoo
2011-01-29 13:04                         ` Eli Zaretskii

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