From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12174: 24.1.50; C-h f and non-symbol remap targets Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878vdme7jd@ch.ristopher.com> <87628lpcko@ch.ristopher.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344998305 31342 80.91.229.3 (15 Aug 2012 02:38:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:38:25 +0000 (UTC) To: 12174@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 15 04:38:26 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TV3-0002hz-CA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Aug 2012 04:38:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33626 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TV2-00047M-FT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TV0-00047H-KO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUz-0001z1-KL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:22 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUz-0001yx-Gm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TdO-0004BA-C6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:47:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:47:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12174 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.134499881816055 (code B ref -1); Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:47:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Aug 2012 02:46:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57362 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TdJ-0004At-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:46:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56575) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TdH-0004Al-Eq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:46:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUr-0001yI-Fk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:14 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:43202) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUr-0001yE-DA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43647) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUq-000471-IT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUp-0001y3-Qa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:51760) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T1TUp-0001xy-MM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:11 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FAG6Zu09MCqqR/2dsb2JhbABEsEiDSYEIghUBAQQBVjMLNBIUGA2IQAW6CY0mgx4DozOBWIMF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="195708262" Original-Received: from 76-10-170-145.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([76.10.170.145]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 14 Aug 2012 22:38:10 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 39C29AE2F6; Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:38:10 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87628lpcko@ch.ristopher.com> (Christopher Schmidt's message of "Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:12:38 +0100 (BST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:63181 Archived-At: >> Here is a patch that abbreviates non-symbol remap targets with "??". >> This is consistent with what describe-bindings displays. > A sobering thought - ?? does not need to be quoted. Actually, ?? is a bad choice, since it seems to imply that Emacs doesn't even know what it's remapped to, whereas Emacs does know very well, it just doesn't want to print it out in full because it would be ugly and too verbose. So I suggest we replace "??" with something like "an anonymous command". Stefan