From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12314: 24.2.50; `add-to-history': use `setq' with `delete' Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7602D24B74DE42CF9901322634B85CA2@us.oracle.com> <87sjas4mc2.fsf@gnu.org> <83ipbomv6e.fsf@gnu.org> <2C45207ADF0E46BC98AF1B486695F632@us.oracle.com> <83fw6smti6.fsf@gnu.org> <9A8F619FD7584123A6319BD089E444E4@us.oracle.com> <83bohgmrdv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9x0mq5e.fsf@gnu.org> <8E40573C868D4B339513A16A02588F5E@us.oracle.com> <837gs4mcqy.fsf@gnu.org> <83627nnc2l.fsf@gnu.org> <83392rm840.fsf@gnu.org> <83pq5ulchr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347289301 32376 80.91.229.3 (10 Sep 2012 15:01:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:01:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12314@debbugs.gnu.org, cyd@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 10 17:01:43 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5Ud-0007P2-2X for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:01:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33020 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5UZ-0003Xq-NB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48475) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5US-0003XZ-KB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5UN-00085q-Gn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:32 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:42806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5UN-00085g-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5Uw-00029U-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:02:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12314 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12314-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12314.13472893038241 (code B ref 12314); Mon, 10 Sep 2012 15:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12314) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Sep 2012 15:01:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5Uc-00028p-0z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:43 -0400 Original-Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36]:12420) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TB5UX-00028g-VA for 12314@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fmsmemgm.homelinux.net ([24.201.208.110]) by VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-22.01 64bit (built Apr 21 2011)) with ESMTP id <0MA500E4K31QIU00@VL-VM-MR001.ip.videotron.ca> for 12314@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1BF52AE200; Mon, 10 Sep 2012 11:01:01 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:64048 Archived-At: >> See my other message: I think we are talking about 2 different >> things. My gripe was only about using the term "destructive >> modification", which muddies the waters without gaining anything. > I don't know, to me "destructive modification" sounds like a very clear > term explaining the general kind of danger we're up against (the kind > that's summarized in Scheme by adding a "!" at the end of the > identifier). This said, we could use some other "equivalent" term, such as "side effect", "imperative", "impure", ... Stefan