From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Install C source code for for debugging help Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7ba0e94a-6256-c425-aaf8-7ee8822216a7@cs.ucla.edu> <8336gil439.fsf@gnu.org> <1cb04f23-5fa1-c866-41a8-60156d15936d@cs.ucla.edu> <83v9tejjdv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a7apkgn7.fsf@gnu.org> <835zldkfkq.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="209478"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 27 19:18:02 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iDtsU-000sEd-A4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:17:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54220 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iDtsS-0000hu-8Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 13:17:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59195) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iDs7R-0002Kf-1K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iDs7N-0003tM-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:5873) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iDs7F-0003kq-8J; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:05 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CCB8010033A; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 82AC610031E; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:01 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1569597901; bh=EN6RsL3NFL/tbGjYbeKgHAC2BBA9tuev84dY38U+LXA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=OcYn8ymYJ+j5fs5s52S9Rkdfhgbb40AFO6r25/sxH380nGjtvB4cw2rKDd5kzO39l Y1b1qAoWFafKzhMyoAYUmh4V3wdC2g6jASCWOu+OyJZCFjBzPHozkl2XS8n9Y/kz+M TE360tE2GLQ8vWhnoD3q04dRFElhxlcW51CKy3UMfkkBVKDVk8B/YxqVSMu2t1OCgj iGUHXZKlEL7Z9kPcXgPqdFBv7V1ia1zDIwOI/jziUA426XubW8BMSBEbJuddvXgxF3 Nlz4kJU/8rXjN15bE6jUFVCj+c3KDc76/x3m2Z8yR/8oMzPCqqbUZ27OGDwZLwaK4I 31RPtls34/fSA== Original-Received: from alfajor (modemcable157.163-203-24.mc.videotron.ca [24.203.163.157]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F6381203CD; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 11:25:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <835zldkfkq.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 27 Sep 2019 16:56:53 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 132.204.25.50 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:240343 Archived-At: > I feel it's a tail wagging the dog. Both you and my (and others on > this list) have the sources installed, so we are all inherently skewed > in our judgment of this. To see whether this is a useful feature, > we'd need a real user poll. I expect that the overwhelming majority of the users don't want to see the C source, but then, the vast majority of computer users use proprietary software. I think Emacs should (and does) really make a special effort to go out of its way to encourage users to access the source code. So I don't think the decision should be made on a question of "do users need it", but whether we want to actively encourage users to do that thing that they normally wouldn't even dream of doing. Stefan