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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	 Noah Friedman <noah@splode.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2022 08:14:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvh79a3jyl.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a6f3jq02.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 07 Feb 2022 11:48:45 +0800")

> On X, every program is supposed to follow this:
>
>   https://specifications.freedesktop.org/clipboards-spec/clipboards-spec.txt
>
> In short:

Some of those specs talk about interaction with other programs, in which
case we should arguably follow them to be good neighbors.  But other
parts talk about the UI and only affect the contract between the
application and the user.  We have no obligation to follow those parts,
tho of course it might make a lot of sense to make the default behavior
follow those specs to avoid surprising the user.

The change under discussion here was motivated by an optimization, so
presumably it should not affect the interface between the user and
Emacs, but only between Emacs and the system.  So IIUC this is a part
where the spec is indeed very relevant and we should strive to
follow it.  But I must say I don't know which part of the spec the
change is related to.  Could you clarify?

> Setting `select-enable-clipboard' to nil violates 3, 4, and 5, while
> setting `select-enable-primary' to t violates 5 and 4.

These seem to only affect the contract between the user and Emacs, so if
the users change them to their default, that can only hurt themselves.

And AFAICT our default settings don't violate those parts 3, 4, and 5,
so we're fine.

And of course I still can't see in which way this relates to
commit 99c637499e.


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-07 13:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-06  3:39 recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard Noah Friedman
2022-02-06  7:37 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06  9:20   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-06  9:34     ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 10:18   ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 16:09   ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07  1:11     ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  2:05       ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07  2:59         ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  5:04           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07  5:17             ` Yuri Khan
2022-02-07  5:23               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-02-07  5:31             ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 22:39   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07  1:12     ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  2:53       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07  3:11         ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  3:41           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07  3:48             ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  4:05               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-02-07  4:44                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  4:57                   ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-07  5:29                     ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  5:47                       ` Corwin Brust
2022-02-07  5:52                       ` tomas
2022-02-07  6:43                         ` Po Lu
2022-02-07  6:57                           ` tomas
2022-02-07 13:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-07 13:18                         ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 12:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-07 12:56                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 13:14               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-02-07 13:17                 ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 13:50                   ` Don't change `select-enable-primary` (was: recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard) Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07 13:55                     ` Don't change `select-enable-primary` Po Lu
2022-02-07  1:11   ` recent change to yanking behavior of the clipboard Tim Cross
2022-02-07  2:31     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2022-02-06  9:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-02-06 11:07 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 11:21 ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 11:37   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 11:47     ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 11:55       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 12:01         ` Po Lu
2022-02-06 12:06           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 12:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-06 12:15           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 12:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-02-06 12:15         ` tomas
2022-02-06 12:20           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-02-06 15:20   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07  1:18     ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 13:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-07 13:15         ` Po Lu
2022-02-07 19:47           ` James Cloos
2022-02-07 19:53             ` tomas
2022-02-06 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier

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