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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Default lexical-binding to t
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2024 11:32:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvh68kv0vo.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86bjysscvr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 06 Nov 2024 15:36:08 +0200")

>> They should likely add a `lexical-binding:nil` cookie and move on.
> In each and every file?

Yup.

> Not a simple thing to do.

It doesn't require any thought, so I consider it simple.
Also, there shouldn't be so terribly many such files remaining nowadays.

But if experience shows it to be a problem, I guess we could provide
a command that automates it.

>> Of course, they can also change this cookie to `t` temporarily every
>> once in a while to see if it uncovers a problem or not, so the
>> conversion can be done bit by bit.
> For some code that gets executed only rarely, this is not practical.

I don't see why.

> Can you tell what are the benefits of turning on lexical-binding by
> default, relative to what we have now?

IME, nowadays lexbind is the "de facto" default used for all
new ELisp code, including code snippets posted around the web.
So using dynbind when there's no cookie is often a source of errors
and confusion.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-06 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-01 12:55 Default lexical-binding to t Stefan Monnier
2024-11-01 14:42 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-11-01 17:03 ` Karl Fogel
2024-11-02 10:48 ` Visuwesh
2024-11-02 12:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-02 13:21     ` Visuwesh
2024-11-02 16:24   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-02 20:42     ` Jim Porter
2024-11-02 21:38       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03  2:32         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03 13:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 14:34             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-04  8:35             ` Jean Louis
2024-11-04  8:43               ` tomas
2024-11-03  1:46       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03  2:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03  7:47         ` Jim Porter
2024-11-03 13:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03  6:44       ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-03 14:59         ` lexical-binding in paredit Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 18:32           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-03 21:44             ` Taylor R Campbell
2024-11-04  1:54               ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-03 15:26 ` Default lexical-binding to t Andrea Corallo
2024-11-07  3:46   ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07 23:00     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-08 15:53       ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 16:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 17:28           ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 17:37             ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-08 18:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 20:18               ` Sebastián Monía
2024-11-08 20:57                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-11  5:13             ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-04  5:34 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-04  9:39   ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 13:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 17:06     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-11-04 18:24       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-11-06  4:44       ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07 23:07     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-04 12:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 20:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 12:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 12:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 13:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 16:32             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2024-11-06 17:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-06 17:42               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-06 20:48                 ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-06 22:50                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-07  0:46                     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-07 21:03                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08  0:44                         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-10  4:04                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07  6:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  8:07                       ` Joost Kremers
2024-11-07  8:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07 11:09                           ` tomas
2024-11-07 21:23                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-07 22:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-11-08  6:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 14:01                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08 15:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 19:07                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-11-08 20:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07 22:10                     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-11-08 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07  2:55                 ` Sean Whitton
2024-11-06 17:54       ` Jim Porter
2024-11-06 19:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 20:23           ` John Yates
2024-11-08 18:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-06 19:53         ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2024-11-08 18:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2024-11-07  3:46     ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-07  7:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  3:46     ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-11-07 22:28 Christopher Howard
2024-11-08  0:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08  6:29   ` tomas
2024-11-10  4:04     ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-08  7:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08 12:11     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08 13:12       ` Suhail Singh
2024-11-08 13:24         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-11-08 13:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-08  7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii

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