From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What IDE features do we need? Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ve2ac2eo.fsf@jurta.org> <20080422115216.GA2609@muc.de> <87zlrleftm.fsf@jurta.org> <87zlrktiwf.fsf@baldur.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209040067 5201 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2008 12:27:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tassilo Horn , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 24 14:28:21 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jp0YY-0004U6-84 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:28:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40879 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jp0Xs-0006jT-8E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:27:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jp0XT-0006aW-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jp0XR-0006ZQ-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56583 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jp0XQ-0006Z5-LQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:56 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182] helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jp0XN-0002wZ-3M; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:53 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwBAPsYEEjO+J6adGdsb2JhbACBUpACASebUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,704,1199682000"; d="scan'208";a="19020647" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 24 Apr 2008 08:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.158.154]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id EQY05952; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0A0E18064; Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:21:16 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95885 Archived-At: > Emacs already has infrastructure for most of those features (in etags > and in Ebrowse), sometimes even more than one package that offers a > different implementation of the same functionality, but we need better > UI for them and better graphical methods of presenting the output. Refactoring requires a lot more infrastructure than what etags and ebrowse provide. That's what `semantic' does. Stefan