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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: gscrivano@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multi-threaded Emacs
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:41:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfxl17x4x.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1L92mr-0000oK-PR@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:25:57 -0500")

>     It will be safe in the sense that it won't cause a crash.  But it will
>     mess up Elisp's semantics.  Consider:

>        (dotimes (i 1000) (toto))

>     if you run this code twice in separate threads and allow context
>     switches at QUIT, then you'll basically be doing "preemptive
>     concurrency" seen from Elisp's point of view.  Among other things, the
>     two threads will be fighting over the value of `i'.

> Each thread should have its own local bindings.  To do this
> requires swapping bindings in and out of the specpdls
> when switching threads.  It is not hard.

> This makes thread switches slower, and that makes it desirable
> to do them less often.

It might be an acceptable temporary solution, but in the long term we
will want to allow true parallelism, so such trickery will not be
an option.

Whether it'll be a valuable intermediate point or not, I cannot say.
My gut feeling is that we'd better work on a solution that will work in
the longer run.  Currently my guess is that generalizing the existing
buffer-local/frame-local/terminal-local machinery to include
thread-local is going to work well, with fairly limited changes.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-06 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-29 13:32 multi-threaded Emacs Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 20:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 21:01   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 11:35       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:46         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:25           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 23:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:30               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  3:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 22:50           ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-07  3:31             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 22:06   ` Tom Tromey
2008-11-30 16:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-11-30 17:34   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:10       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 22:20     ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  0:10         ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-01  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 14:06     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-01 18:57       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01 20:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 22:41           ` joakim
2008-12-02 16:02         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-02 22:22           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 22:41             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03  2:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-03 18:26                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03 20:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05  7:40                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-05  8:20                         ` Miles Bader
2008-12-05  9:42                           ` Paul R
2008-12-05 10:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-05 10:35                               ` Paul R
2008-12-05 11:02                           ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-05 15:39                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 16:22                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-05 16:57                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-06  4:41                               ` Miles Bader
2008-12-06  7:44                               ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-06 22:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06  8:30                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:36                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 19:25                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-06 22:41                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2008-12-06 23:41                             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-07 20:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 23:51                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08  3:06                                   ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-08 15:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:02                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-07 20:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:15                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08 18:26                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-08 19:49                               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-09  2:15                                 ` dhruva
2008-12-09  2:49                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-09  2:53                                     ` dhruva
2008-12-09  9:36                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-09 17:26                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:10                                   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-11  1:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 14:41                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 18:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 18:42                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 19:01                                               ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:53                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-12 19:03                                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-13  3:08                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 19:07                                         ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                   ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 23:10             ` Florian Beck
2008-11-30 22:17   ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-03  7:59 Re[2]: " ak70
2008-12-04  8:45 ` Richard M Stallman
     [not found]   ` <87prk8mhg9.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
     [not found]     ` <E1L8ZUB-0002x3-VT@fencepost.gnu.org>
2008-12-05 13:27       ` Li Lin
     [not found]         ` <87prk64ilv.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
2008-12-05 18:37           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-06 21:58             ` Magnus Henoch
2008-12-04 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier

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