From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLogs on CVS? Commit netiquette. Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:11 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5f0ff9221002181207v3244055ax3b3223833a901609@mail.gmail.com> <87eiki443f.fsf@red-bean.com> <5f0ff9221002181621t1084ee2av6cb2149f480128a7@mail.gmail.com> <87hbpexde6.fsf@telefonica.net> <5f0ff9221002181920m48377322m51d9206790d10f03@mail.gmail.com> <87pr41zscu.fsf@red-bean.com> <5f0ff9221002190819p1a295281ma7c92c9d659fa769@mail.gmail.com> <87r5ohhrlc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1266942207 32158 80.91.229.12 (23 Feb 2010 16:23:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 23 17:23:15 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjxXT-0005ou-UL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:23:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43741 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NjxXS-0006Rg-PH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:23:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NjxVe-0005OP-5M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52450 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NjxVc-0005MP-TK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjxVc-0001A3-1a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:17 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:58461) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NjxVa-00019c-Hu; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:15 -0500 Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1NGLCZP025035; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:12 -0500 Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0761D4000B; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:21:12 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87r5ohhrlc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:56:47 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3475=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121295 Archived-At: >>> Not sure what recipe to post, but the adventures with bzr2 >>> eventually crashed my Jaunty box >> Then it's unfair to blame it on bzr, it's either a problem in the OS >> or in the hardware. > Memory overcommitting is a frequent OS allocation strategy. When it > fails and some program eats all that is there and more, some process has > to die. If the wrong one is chosen, the system can fail. I've seen X die, but that's the worse I've seen and I haven't seen it in a very long time (maybe just because current disk sizes mean that swap space is usually sufficient that the machine will thrash to death before running out of memory). But "X died" is a long shot from "crashed my box". Tho admittedly, some people may use the term "crashed" in inappropriate ways. This said, yes, memory use of bzr is sometimes a problem and it may potentially be the cause of the report, in which case it's not the OS/hardware that's to blame. Stefan