From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5642: Reporting a bug loads many Gnus libraries Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:32:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267048435 2947 80.91.229.12 (24 Feb 2010 21:53:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5642@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 24 22:53:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkPAy-0004V4-SB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:53:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46951 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NkPAy-0008NV-ER for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NkPAa-0008FU-GF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51860 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NkPAY-0008EF-4A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkPAR-0005In-NA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:21 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkPAR-0005IZ-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkOqs-0003cC-6M; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:33:02 -0500 X-Loop: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 5642 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 5642-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5642.126704712713873 (code B ref 5642); Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5642) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2010 21:32:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkOpy-0003bg-PC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:32:07 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NkOpw-0003bL-Tp for 5642@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:32:05 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAJ4phUtFpZOk/2dsb2JhbACbEHS8WYRyBIMWh28 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,534,1262581200"; d="scan'208";a="56699327" Original-Received: from 69-165-147-164.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.147.164]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2010 16:32:00 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 71A248580; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:32:00 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:31:24 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.92 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:33:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:35299 Archived-At: > Current trunk on GNU/Linux: > emacs -Q > M-x report-emacs-bug > Typing C-c C-c to send the bug loads 22 extra libraries, including > several Gnus ones: > gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 epg-config mm-view smime dig gnus-sum > nnoo gnus-group gnus-undo nnmail mail-source format-spec gnus-start > gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win gnus gnus-ems I'm not worried about loading more libraries: the change is specifically to provide more features so extra code is to be expected. It'd be good to try and reduce the reliance on Gnus libraries there, tho, or to rename/restructure them to make it more clear that they're actually useful independently from the Gnus MUA. > This extra complexity leads to unexpected bugs like #5299. Actually, I see no evidence that #5299 is linked to any of that complexity. Stefan