From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: e and pi
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:44:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfwx9hf3r.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2ocbx227h.fsf@gmail.com> (Helmut Eller's message of "Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:27:30 +0200")
>> - in Emacs-23.3, define `e', `float-e', `pi', and `float-pi' and declare
>> `e' and `pi' obsolete, but without a make-obsolete-variable
>> (i.e. only in NEWS and in docstrings).
>> - in Emacs-24 keep float-e and float-pi but get rid of `e' and `pi'.
>> Can anyone think of a better solution?
> Lexically scoped constants. I mean
> (defconstant e ...)
> could declare that e is lexically scoped (but has a global binding).
Indeed, `pi' is a defconst and currently `e' is a defvar but wants to be
a defconst as well. And indeed if `defconst' really defines a constant,
then it can be considered as a lexically scoped variable.
But such a convention would introduce a lot more breakage, since many
packages still use defconst for variables which they later on modify via
`let' or `setq', expecting dynamic scoping semantics. Admittedly, such
packages should be getting more rare since I've added warnings in the
byte-compiler in Emacs-23 (or maybe even Emacs-22?) about setq and let
applied to defconst'd vars.
Still, I think this is more dangerous than renaming e and pi (which are
admittedly very rarely used).
OTOH maybe you meant to introduce a new `defconstant' that's like
`defconst' except that it declares the var as lexically scoped.
Hmm... I guess that could work.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-09-16 15:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-09-16 13:25 e and pi Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 13:44 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-16 15:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 13:47 ` Leo
2010-09-16 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 14:27 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-16 15:44 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2010-09-16 18:52 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-16 14:44 ` Jason Rumney
2010-09-16 22:54 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-17 0:04 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-17 0:14 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 7:00 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17 8:09 ` Simon Leinen
2010-09-17 8:15 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17 9:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-17 9:21 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17 9:47 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 15:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 15:22 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-17 15:56 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 22:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 15:44 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 15:50 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-17 16:06 ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 16:18 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 16:45 ` Glenn Morris
2010-09-17 17:14 ` Glenn Morris
2010-09-18 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 10:21 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-18 11:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 11:26 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-18 10:50 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-18 11:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 14:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-18 14:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-09-18 15:11 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-17 22:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 1:10 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18 8:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 19:10 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18 21:37 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-09-19 0:57 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 13:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-18 14:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 15:01 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-18 16:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-19 10:07 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-17 16:14 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 15:12 ` tomas
2010-09-18 17:52 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 19:13 ` tomas
2010-09-17 23:35 ` Uday S Reddy
2010-09-17 16:55 ` Sam Steingold
2010-09-17 22:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 22:55 ` Drew Adams
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-17 4:20 MON KEY
2010-09-18 5:58 MON KEY
2010-09-18 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-19 2:03 ` MON KEY
2010-09-18 16:07 ` David De La Harpe Golden
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=jwvfwx9hf3r.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org \
--to=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
--cc=eller.helmut@gmail.com \
--cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.