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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: e and pi
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:44:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfwx9hf3r.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2ocbx227h.fsf@gmail.com> (Helmut Eller's message of "Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:27:30 +0200")

>> - in Emacs-23.3, define `e', `float-e', `pi', and `float-pi' and declare
>> `e' and `pi' obsolete, but without a make-obsolete-variable
>> (i.e. only in NEWS and in docstrings).
>> - in Emacs-24 keep float-e and float-pi but get rid of `e' and `pi'.
>> Can anyone think of a better solution?

> Lexically scoped constants.  I mean 
> (defconstant e ...)
> could declare that e is lexically scoped (but has a global binding).

Indeed, `pi' is a defconst and currently `e' is a defvar but wants to be
a defconst as well.  And indeed if `defconst' really defines a constant,
then it can be considered as a lexically scoped variable.

But such a convention would introduce a lot more breakage, since many
packages still use defconst for variables which they later on modify via
`let' or `setq', expecting dynamic scoping semantics.  Admittedly, such
packages should be getting more rare since I've added warnings in the
byte-compiler in Emacs-23 (or maybe even Emacs-22?) about setq and let
applied to defconst'd vars.

Still, I think this is more dangerous than renaming e and pi (which are
admittedly very rarely used).

OTOH maybe you meant to introduce a new `defconstant' that's like
`defconst' except that it declares the var as lexically scoped.
Hmm... I guess that could work.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2010-09-16 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-16 13:25 e and pi Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 13:44 ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-16 15:37   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 13:47 ` Leo
2010-09-16 15:39   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-16 14:27 ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-16 15:44   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2010-09-16 18:52     ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-16 14:44 ` Jason Rumney
2010-09-16 22:54 ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-17  0:04   ` Deniz Dogan
2010-09-17  0:14   ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17  7:00   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17  8:09   ` Simon Leinen
2010-09-17  8:15     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17  9:06       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-17  9:21         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-17  9:47   ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 15:11   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 15:22     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-17 15:56       ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 22:13         ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 15:44     ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 15:50     ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-17 16:06       ` Wojciech Meyer
2010-09-17 16:18       ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-17 16:45         ` Glenn Morris
2010-09-17 17:14           ` Glenn Morris
2010-09-18 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 10:21           ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-18 11:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 11:26               ` Helmut Eller
2010-09-18 10:50           ` David Kastrup
2010-09-18 11:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-09-18 14:27               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-09-18 14:32               ` Andreas Schwab
2010-09-18 15:11           ` Drew Adams
2010-09-17 22:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18  1:10         ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18  8:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 19:10             ` Chong Yidong
2010-09-18 21:37               ` Uday S Reddy
2010-09-19  0:57                 ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 13:43           ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-18 14:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-18 15:01               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-09-18 16:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-19 10:07               ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-09-17 16:14     ` Drew Adams
2010-09-18 15:12       ` tomas
2010-09-18 17:52         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-19 19:13           ` tomas
2010-09-17 23:35     ` Uday S Reddy
2010-09-17 16:55 ` Sam Steingold
2010-09-17 22:16   ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-17 22:55     ` Drew Adams
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-17  4:20 MON KEY
2010-09-18  5:58 MON KEY
2010-09-18 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-09-19  2:03   ` MON KEY
2010-09-18 16:07 ` David De La Harpe Golden

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