From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package suggestion Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:51:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <27y5qciwgd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <9lty10iwdr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1334062341 23720 80.91.229.3 (10 Apr 2012 12:52:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:52:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ilya Shlyakhter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 10 14:52:19 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaYP-00069L-GQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:52:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46100 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaYO-0006TE-U8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:52:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48905) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaYL-0006Kw-JR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:52:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaYE-0005zB-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:52:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.143.162]:2176) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaYE-0005yo-5a; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:52:02 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYIACxOgk9sr+pC/2dsb2JhbABDDrgVA4EMgQiCCQEBBAFWHgUFCws0EhQYDSSIHAW2MothhHkEpEWBXYIwUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,391,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="173073481" Original-Received: from 108-175-234-66.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([108.175.234.66]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Apr 2012 08:51:59 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5BDC1589AF; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:51:59 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Ilya Shlyakhter's message of "Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:45:03 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.143.162 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:149564 Archived-At: > cl-clean sounds a bit like a development stage in a project (alpha, > beta, clean...) -- might be confusing as a permanent package name? > other than that, sounds good. Not sure how much of a problem that is, but if people don't like it, we can surely find something else: `cl-all', `cl-prefix'? > other possibilities: > cl2 > cl-new > cl-compat > cl-ext > cl-exts > cl-extensions I don't like the "2" and "new" concepts here, since it's not a reimplementation/redesign. I didn't like "cl-ext" at first, but maybe there's some sense to it. How 'bout "cl-lib" instead? > btw, the name prefix will stay as cl- , as in cl-remove-if, whatever the > 'require symbol, correct? Yes. > also, should the names be changed everywhere in the CL package manual, > or just add a separate section saying that the following names should > really be prefixed? We want to discourage the use of plain (require 'cl), so the manual should reflect that and document the prefixed names. > also: should i also add cl- aliases for macro names in CL, for uniformity? That's a good question and I haven't thought much about it. I'm leaning towards the "yes" (e.g. I don't like the current dolist/dotimes situation where those macros are defined in two different ways depending on whether `cl' is loaded or not). Stefan