From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19175: 24.4; make-frame-on-display fails if emacs started with -nw Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:26:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wq6jrjis.fsf@ak2.becroft.co.nz> <0E7A721E-2256-4932-9832-ED19A86FE000@swipnet.se> <87bnjc5v0r.fsf@ak2.becroft.co.nz> <9800C187-E0D5-4431-865C-7CD57D019D6B@swipnet.se> <0ED7DA25-2D98-4C2E-A6A0-90635241EF40@swipnet.se> <83ego6zh4x.fsf@gnu.org> <83siclyjx0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427808520 17099 80.91.229.3 (31 Mar 2015 13:28:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: nicolas@petton.fr, 19175@debbugs.gnu.org, mb@becroft.co.nz To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 31 15:28:27 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwDL-0002ey-7x for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 15:28:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38725 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwDF-0001gy-9m for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:28:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38736) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwDB-0001gf-2a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:28:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwD5-000739-95 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:28:09 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:51215) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwD5-000732-5W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:28:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwD4-0003Zn-CW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:28:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19175 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: confirmed Original-Received: via spool by 19175-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19175.142780842913685 (code B ref 19175); Tue, 31 Mar 2015 13:28:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19175) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2015 13:27:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40991 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwCB-0003Yd-RS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:27:08 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:24113) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YcwC8-0003YI-JE for 19175@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:27:05 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgUFAGvvdVRBbthL/2dsb2JhbAA3gVOhb4EIgXUBAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgTohGLeyAGQwwDgz4Dg3AEqDs X-IPAS-Result: AgUFAGvvdVRBbthL/2dsb2JhbAA3gVOhb4EIgXUBAQQBViMQCzQSFBgNJIgTohGLeyAGQwwDgz4Dg3AEqDs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.01,1,1400040000"; d="scan'208";a="115042248" Original-Received: from 65-110-216-75.cpe.pppoe.ca (HELO pastel.home) ([65.110.216.75]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 31 Mar 2015 09:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9AEFC1054; Tue, 31 Mar 2015 09:26:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83siclyjx0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 31 Mar 2015 05:34:19 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101074 Archived-At: >> How old is this bug? IIUC it's pretty old, so there's no hurry to >> fix it in 24.5 rather than in Emacs-25. It's not fixing a regression. > It is still a bad problem, and could very well raise its ugly head in > other, more important situations. It could, but it hasn't in the last many years that we've lived with it without anyone noticing, so we can live with it a few more I think. And the effect of the bug seems rather minor. IOW the urgency is very low. >> > Fixing the ChangeLog is easy, if >> > that's the only problem: just swap the entries. >> No, the problem is delaying the release by having another RC candidate. > There's no need: we are making a simple change that doesn't require > another RC, IMO. I don't find it simple at all. E.g. it doesn't seem obviously safe (e.g. what if the X call ends up making a longjmp and hence skipping the unblocking of sigio? Seems highly unlikely, but we do make longjmps in not-completely-different circumstances (e.g. to avoid killing Emacs when an X connection dies), so I think that proving such a longjmp can't happen would require a serious code analysis, i.e. pretty far from "obviously safe"). Low urgency, non-zero risk, I'm surprised you'd even bother to lobby for inclusion one day before the actual release. Stefan