From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should this package be included into the NS port? Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 12:37:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20180515183631.GB27909@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180518193632.GA31241@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180519103329.GB31853@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83k1rucs15.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527093388 8508 195.159.176.226 (23 May 2018 16:36:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 16:36:28 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: alan@idiocy.org, Nick Helm , georgedp@orbitalimpact.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 23 18:36:24 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fLWkR-00023A-Bh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 18:36:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34537 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLWmW-0007Mj-SJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:38:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53408) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLWln-0007MS-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLWlj-00035V-Eo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]:55152) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fLWlj-00035F-1g; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:37:43 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w4NGbdca025451; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B98766619A; Wed, 23 May 2018 12:37:39 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83k1rucs15.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 23 May 2018 18:26:14 +0300") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6292=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6292> : inlines <6651> : streams <1787585> : uri <2646047> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 132.204.246.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225612 Archived-At: >> And, I guess, how does emacsclient beat this one-frame-must-exist >> limitation =E2=80=93 does it maintain some kind of fake frame that it hi= des from >> the windowing system? > That's exactly why your notion of frame-centric Emacs is inaccurate. IIRC, the emacs daemon solves this by using the "initial-frame" which is associated to the "stdio terminal" (the special frame and terminal also used in batch mode). Stefan