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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
Cc: mattiase@acm.org, Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	andrea_corallo@yahoo.it, 42147@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#42147: 28.0.50; pure vs side-effect-free, missing optimizations?
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:05:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfta7q9v2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOqdjBd=j5OvhS5DmgXQY0dP_rHz2_rO0f8Q4f=JWrmkYCNJ+Q@mail.gmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Sat, 4 Jul 2020 18:37:16 +0000")

> So it's a GCC bug? Wouldn't it be better to fix that?

Not really, no: the x87 hardware makes it difficult to get the exact
behavior of 64bit floats, so either you live with "almost" the right
behavior or you don't use the x87 hardware (which on pre-SSE2 hardware
implies a massive slow down on floating point operations).

>> Several GNU/Linux distributions have already dropped support for x86-only
>> hardware like the circa-2001 Intel Mobile Pentium III-M in your laptop. On the
>> distributions that still support i686, you can still build and run Emacs on your
>> laptop (which has SSE but not SSE2) by configuring with CFLAGS='-msse
>> -mfpmath=sse -fexcess-precision=standard'; this should avoid some (but not all)
>> of the rounding problems.

If I need to change the flags, then I'm much more likely to just use the
"normal" compilation option: I actually couldn't care less about the
potential differences in rounding.

I'm actually not completely sure why we care about those minor
rounding differences.

After all, even if we use SSE2, there's no guarantee that the output of
`sin` in one version of Emacs will be exactly the same as in another
version of Emacs.  And while I know that there's some hope that those
differences will disappear in some distant future (since someone
finally figured out how to implement `sin` efficiently with perfect
rounding), I don't think we'll be able to rely on that any time soon,
and I don't see why `+` should not be allowed to vary wile `sin` is.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-04 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1583748933.1069307.1593556032592.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
2020-06-30 22:27 ` bug#42147: 28.0.50; pure vs side-effect-free, missing optimizations? Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-06-30 23:14   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-01 12:46     ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-01 12:44   ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-01 16:08     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-01 21:31       ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-02 10:26         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-02 10:59           ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-02 12:46             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-02 13:56               ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-02 14:51                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-02 15:32                   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-02 15:49                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-02 18:01                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-02 18:55                       ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-02 19:38                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-02 20:09                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-03  9:32                           ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-03 13:39                             ` bug#42147: Hash-consing bignums (was: bug#42147: 28.0.50; pure vs side-effect-free, missing optimizations?) Stefan Monnier
2020-07-02 20:31                       ` bug#42147: 28.0.50; pure vs side-effect-free, missing optimizations? Paul Eggert
2020-07-02 21:41                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-02 23:16                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-03  8:32                           ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-03 13:11                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-03 18:35                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-03 18:43                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-03 19:05                                 ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-04 14:58                                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-04 15:06                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-04 16:13                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-05 13:00                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-05 13:16                                       ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-06 17:20                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-06 21:23                                           ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-07 15:54                                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-07 16:24                                               ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-07 16:55                                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-07 17:42                                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-08 19:14                                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-08 21:25                                                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-08 22:19                                                       ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-09 10:20                                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-09 12:47                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-09 12:57                                                             ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-09 14:35                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-09 15:19                                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-09 15:37                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-05 15:26                                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-03 18:31                             ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-03 18:47                               ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-04 15:57                                 ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-04 16:15                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04 16:27                                     ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-04 16:33                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-04 16:44                                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-04 17:00                                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-04 18:37                                           ` Pip Cet
2020-07-04 21:05                                             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2020-07-04 22:25                                               ` Pip Cet
2020-07-05  2:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-05  8:28                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-05  8:39                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2020-07-05 14:47                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-05 15:30                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-06  0:14                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-05 15:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-06  0:10                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-05  9:56                                             ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-05 10:03                                               ` Andrea Corallo via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2020-07-05 23:57                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-04 19:01                                           ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-04 17:10                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04 19:26                                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-02 19:09           ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-03  9:25             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-25 17:09               ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-25 18:10                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-25 20:03                   ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-25 20:07                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-25 20:11                       ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-25 21:00                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-25 21:29                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-25 21:39                             ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-25 22:27                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-29 12:53                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-29 14:28                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-25 21:54                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-25 22:30                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-26  9:05                                 ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-29 16:03                                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-07-29 20:39                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-03 15:07                                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-08-10 13:39                                         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-08-10 22:07                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-08-10 13:42                                       ` Philipp Stephani
2020-08-10 22:10                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-07-29 13:10                           ` Philipp Stephani
2020-07-25 21:09                         ` Stefan Monnier

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