From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package-quickstart: How To Debug? Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:56:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20201220181033.6F073C21F47@raman-glaptop.localdomain> <87h7oggwyd.fsf@tcd.ie> <24544.55150.92427.555898@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36028"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: contovob@tcd.ie, arthur.miller@live.com, "T.V Raman" To: "T.V Raman" via "Emacs development discussions." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 21 18:57:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krPRD-0009FR-5T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 18:57:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42216 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krPRC-00078n-7A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:57:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32858) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krPPr-0006dt-7s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:56:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:1684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krPPg-0006Bk-Mj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:56:14 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6BB9C804EC; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:56:03 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DB94B80055; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:56:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1608573361; bh=a5gMPsuShCNRFrs7nFizw9MPJAFY6QCJz4qivEXftOI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=QP0rNdXnqnWQCiyVi8K6i//Tah4an8qgx99S2QHj21oOBXSku3xrX99fmzYnSOLsL uDTTbwMSwydYjyIkg5nrhjLbYwabb1++I4ESigHY0MdwBbS7lxm9LRR++lXch90Mlp rEgyioyiLCzH6N0F30Xvr0ZjmLdwGmpydC5in+/sLD+XUBXIr17ApZ0pCGbX6077wL d0bgV0ZiAwbrqW24j288xRb0zQT0NtIyC3SLZgWmepB5GUwvFN3eJXZSF8kgE8ud4N ukXiv/TTrgGmvzwtgdabMlTR4vkQigBlG6hP7QztpH8FImkIs/eTyxM/nCua8Vh4ZE g7lK68MQ4pH6Q== Original-Received: from alfajor (69-165-136-52.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.165.136.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92190120432; Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:56:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <24544.55150.92427.555898@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> (T. V. Raman's message of "Mon, 21 Dec 2020 09:12:14 -0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261400 Archived-At: > geting spoken feedback without which I cannot work productively, I'm > not going to go chase this further --- Emacs not starting makes > things very hard :-) In those cases it can be helpful to start Emacs within Emacs (e.g. within a term.el terminal). I find it unusable in general, but I've resorted to it on some occasions. Stefan