From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eglot, project.el, and python virtual environments Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:29 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87zgcq68zp.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878rkale3l.fsf@dfreeman.email> <4c5f4b07-3df6-d700-83f8-9a9d1b684afc@yandex.ru> <84781346-5b88-2be5-38bb-02696fcf1364@yandex.ru> <87o7t2vj19.fsf@dfreeman.email> <877czqtyfy.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zgcml7g7.fsf@gmail.com> <2ba04533-097a-a1da-ff3f-2c9506fd488e@yandex.ru> <875yf9bbzb.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn7oa0aw.fsf@gmail.com> <7a5b76fd-fb15-8c1e-ea29-bf11f7e0d2ae@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6864"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= , Danny Freeman , Eric Abrahamsen , emacs-devel To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 22 22:13:01 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaZg-0001Yy-HF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 22:13:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaZJ-0007v9-Uo; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaZH-0007th-1h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxaZE-0007R9-T1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:34 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id C15871000ED; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:31 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 20B5710002F; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:30 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669151550; bh=TNle2t8VgbwCS2MsDBLsRIS/7GEPAj6rN1jfnvAy+9s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=G6L1UvckGbDqmFBUY3mMGaG/lqWxrR7BSGdYV7/HsEo8hGO1Ex4dIjKDp8atNFSl2 vreiPy22wHCRwfSnep6tCp3tRhKpv9Hz11QGrRoUhQkgeMErgu12skMuukJtjG1sOJ vbdFkL8kT3d8mQ0LO3ps6z1yTOLhmAN6zKbQglXKcdZzSh4gmEuj7dDWb4cJ7zQF5I FJvh5OS/8ht4zLi9Ov8BUCijeoCwcmNb9UikUWFviIc+JnZGRyXZINQU/H/DL9fjq+ PVUsx6YkaIM0m8tQHeU4yVtA3OCSHlsJYSHymHddd5J5xL/dOEj88ffGsSDHd4LcwG YugZKtZyk7Fug== Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01EDB12041B; Tue, 22 Nov 2022 16:12:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <7a5b76fd-fb15-8c1e-ea29-bf11f7e0d2ae@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Tue, 22 Nov 2022 17:48:39 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300354 Archived-At: >> I think I couldn't disagree more. If there something that should >> influence system design (usually as early as possible) are performance >> considerations: they can't be an afterthought. That said, looking >> forward to these "other means". > Performance is important, but desired behavior comes first. Can we just agree that both are important and that it can be hard to know beforehand which consideration should dominate? Stefan