From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:32 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> <87edt2qpoa.fsf@localhost> <83359innsp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmcmt8cc.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17897"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: dsmasterson@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 14 16:14:32 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5TSp-0004Sq-Vq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 16:14:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5Srj-00075a-3o; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:36:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5Sra-0006zL-Mo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:36:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5Sra-0005fm-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:36:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5Sra-0001Lk-6L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:36:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59882 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59882-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59882.16710285435181 (code B ref 59882); Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59882) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2022 14:35:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39625 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5SrH-0001LV-EH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:50344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5SrF-0001LN-Tg for 59882@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:42 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 272678078F; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:36 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 64CD580723; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:34 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1671028534; bh=P2Z6TSz8LyNM3DixZFbYamYX4fXNuX1vB+9jB3KOs3A=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=YyxtmuuxALBl5WnbYVzi/qat/AC+so2R2IPTn0xvvImimR44E2AE7O6bFp/hpu6UD HQ+9d/D3nxEhQfeAVWfAcB9JtukKWg2opEvVYlaArWa+TZKSuNic3OZ/Corjm0FlAj zQAkIxsaLLMWq8lTT0z+9ZEbaHxjIaTkfvO08SERt9VON97Mote8zWxUmy+URfRVwx Ntfw370bimD/hQCDBsTUxoG9EotbehI9vsxZQx/+eojkCGFCmtiX3tt/Wrv6CcxOwn qAR8D8IcFJqjfmpGQfXXH4OviUaJKM0cdo68uJlG73xv57xnlbzYa00nmwnOT6K14P uVLxNfUAH0GMA== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.193.52]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21648120409; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87pmcmt8cc.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Wed, 14 Dec 2022 13:37:07 +0000") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:250954 Archived-At: > similar issues with several important Org components (ol-* and ob-*). In > particular, ob-*.el packages affect Org simply by defining function > symbols with specific name patters (by ob-core.el design). > Achieving no side effects is difficult in practice. That's true. It can be a balancing act. > Also, note that side effects are not uncommon in Elisp packages. > Including, built-ins, like rect.el. > dired+ comes to mind among popular third-party packages. Most of them are plain bugs, tho (typically fixed by introducing an autoloaded minor-mode, so the package is activated by enabling the minor mode rather than by `require`ing the package). > Like I said in another message that I sent just before receiving yours > my conclusion came from the fact that hitting 'C-h v' with the cursor > on 'org-goto-interface' provided nothing. It was the first time this > ever happened to me. I did try to explicitly enter the variable's > name by entering 'org-goto', which (like 'org-go') is not > enough: it is completed to 'org--goto'. AFAICT this is a missing feature: we obey `help-enable-autoload` in `describe-function` but we fail to do the same autoloading dance in `describe-variable`. Stefan