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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,  Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>,
	 drew.adams@oracle.com,  dmitry@gutov.dev, philipk@posteo.net,
	 emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:20:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfs2x81oa.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm53DsHkS+2ENLJLUV2J9sTMr1DQAAqwD0Xz7NAXx1fk40A@mail.gmail.com> ("João Távora"'s message of "Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:19:48 +0100")

>> > We should "merge" `C-x C-q` and `e`, indeed, like we do for Dired.
>> Yes, and isn't a buffer-local value for read-only-mode-hook the
>> suitable way to fix that?

I must admit I haven't looked at what the implementation
would/should/could look like.

> For context, I'm asking because I don't think rebinding `C-x C-q`
> to a different command (like in the case of Dired) is as good
> as using the existing hook.  It should be much more consistent
> to use the standard facilities of the existing minor mode.

In general, I agree.  There are degrees, tho.
E.g. Dired doesn't touch `C-x C-q`, strictly speaking, instead it remaps
`read-only-mode` which is much cleaner already.

But admittedly, looking at the code of `dired-toggle-read-only` I can't
see an obvious technical reason why it couldn't use
`read-only-mode-hook` instead (tho maybe the interaction with
`view-read-only` could be a problem [I'd argue the problem is in
`view-read-only`, tho]).  Yet, at the same time changing the minor mode
from within `read-only-mode-hook` doesn't sound super healthy (from
a purely philosophical standpoint, at least), so I think such a change
would probably make more sense if we were to change wdired so it's not
a wholly separate major mode.

> Likewise, I don't think having "-read-only" or "-edit" variations
> of each major mode is a good idea.  We can activate and deactivate
> keymaps on the fly right?

Again, I'd tend to agree but I'd have to see the details to be sure.
In the case of Dired the two states are very different (completely
different key-bindings and sets of operations), so while I think the use
of a separate major mode is a historical accident, it's not too bad of
a choice.

In contrast in `diff-mode` I originally didn't even use
a `read-only-mode-hook`; instead I used
`minor-mode-overriding-map-alist` to dynamically activate/deactivate the
key bindings according to the value of `buffer-read-only`.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-29 15:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-19  6:03 Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-19 10:58 ` Eshel Yaron
2023-08-19 11:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20  1:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-20  6:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20  6:42     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20  8:44   ` Yuri Khan
2023-08-20 22:51     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 10:53       ` João Távora
2023-08-29 11:35         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-08-30  0:52         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 18:46           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 19:59             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 20:37           ` João Távora
2023-08-30 21:49             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 22:01               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 22:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04  6:03                 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2023-09-04 11:04                   ` João Távora
2023-09-04 12:18                     ` Rudolf Schlatte
2023-08-31  5:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31  8:02                 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 15:45                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04 23:34                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04 17:23               ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-04 17:53                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-05  6:38                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-05  7:46                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-04 18:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-05  6:43                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-04 20:49                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-04 17:15   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-04 18:02     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-05 13:56       ` Alexander Adolf
2023-09-05 14:00         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-06 13:25           ` Alexander Adolf
2023-08-20 13:00 ` sbaugh
2023-09-07 14:39 ` João Távora
2023-09-07 16:20   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 16:49     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 17:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 17:24         ` João Távora
2023-09-07 17:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 18:12             ` João Távora
2023-09-07 21:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 23:46         ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-07 20:41     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-07 22:03       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 22:43         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-07 22:18     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 22:39       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08  6:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 18:25           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:35             ` João Távora
2023-09-08 18:38               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:44                 ` João Távora
2023-09-08 19:29                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 19:01                 ` João Távora
2023-09-08  6:55         ` João Távora
2023-09-08 15:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-08 16:05             ` João Távora
2023-09-08 16:20               ` João Távora
2023-09-25 23:11                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-25 23:32                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26  5:36                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26  8:06                     ` João Távora
2023-09-26 10:57                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 11:24                         ` João Távora
2023-09-26 11:33                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 11:34                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 12:57                             ` João Távora
2023-09-26 13:09                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 13:52                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 13:38                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-26 14:06                             ` João Távora
2023-09-26 14:31                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 14:51                                 ` João Távora
2023-09-26 14:54                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 15:17                                     ` João Távora
2023-09-26 15:35                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 15:38                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 15:47                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 16:01                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 16:10                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 10:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:36                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 15:32                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-26 16:31                                               ` Yuri Khan
2023-09-26 17:28                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-29 11:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 10:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:36                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 15:01                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-09-26 15:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 10:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:30                                       ` Robert Pluim
2023-09-29 13:11                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-29 13:13                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 13:16                                           ` João Távora
2023-09-29 13:19                                             ` João Távora
2023-09-29 15:20                                               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2023-10-01 12:07                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-01 18:43                                                   ` Howard Melman
2023-09-29 15:47                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-09-29 15:30                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-26 15:27                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 10:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:36                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 15:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 15:40                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 16:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 16:32                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 16:51                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 17:32                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 17:56                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 18:02                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-26 10:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 12:03                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 12:11                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 12:20                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29  6:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 10:21                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-29 15:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 17:20                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-29 17:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 17:44                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:35               ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                 ` <CALDnm52Wtat24JFu=o6m_eJVamub+1H1BxNd5eELQ2j--7OetA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <da4cb294-39eb-c4a1-a625-da5ee183170c@gutov.dev>
2023-09-08 18:57                     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 19:06   ` Felician Nemeth
2023-09-07 19:19     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 19:25     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-07 19:28       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-07 22:14         ` João Távora
2023-09-07 20:43     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-07 22:39   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 11:10     ` João Távora
2023-09-08 22:35       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 23:17         ` João Távora
2023-09-08 12:46   ` Eshel Yaron
2023-09-08 12:52     ` João Távora
2023-09-08 13:18       ` Eshel Yaron
2023-10-01 15:07         ` Extract to new definition (was: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs) Eshel Yaron
2023-09-08 13:30       ` [semi off topic] grep-based refactoring [was: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs] tomas
2023-09-08 17:53         ` João Távora
2023-09-08 18:24           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:51             ` tomas

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