From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Feature request: Menu item "load init files" after -q/-Q Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87tzig16o6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207422492 4265 80.91.229.12 (5 Apr 2008 19:08:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 19:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Reiner Steib To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 05 21:08:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JiDkk-0002y6-Vk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:08:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JiDk8-0004v4-4k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:08:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JiDk5-0004up-7A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JiDk3-0004ud-JB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JiDk3-0004ua-FS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JiDk3-0003NG-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JiDk2-0007lE-TP for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JiDjz-0003Mk-GQ for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182] helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JiDjv-0003La-6m; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:47 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0BAHdq90fO+J/WdGdsb2JhbACBXI94ASqYPw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,609,1199682000"; d="scan'208";a="17873087" Original-Received: from smtp.pppoe.ca (HELO smtp.teksavvy.com) ([65.39.196.238]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2008 15:07:46 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([206.248.159.214]) by smtp.teksavvy.com (Internet Mail Server v1.0) with ESMTP id LXM45746; Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:07:46 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 27AAA7F85; Sat, 5 Apr 2008 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87tzig16o6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:46:17 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94434 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21883 Archived-At: >> > when XEmacs is started with `--vanilla' or `-q', it displays an item >> > "Load init files" in the menu bar. The name of the command in XEmacs >> > is `load-user-init-file'. >> > >> > Maybe Emacs should do have something similar. > The common use case for this feature is a user reports a bug, we ask > them to replicate with "xemacs -vanilla", and now they have error > messages and stuff in buffers. So they hit the "Send Mail" menu item > and get the horrible default MUA when they were expecting Gnus or VM. That's a good point. We need to work harder to make sure that `emacs -Q' either refuses to try and send mail (with an error that explains that mail is not configured) or that does something sufficiently safe that we're pretty sure it'll work. It used to be that running `sendmail' was good enough, but nowadays that sadly doesn't cut it any more. As for the default MUA itself, I think it's OK as long as it works. Stefan