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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, stephen@xemacs.org, rms@gnu.org,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Terminology in multi-tty primitives
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:32:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwveizlp1jq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ufxk1olpm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:56:37 +0200")

>> I think calls to make-frame-on-tty should be replaceable by just
>> 
>> (make-frame `((tty . ,tty) (tty-type . ,type) . ,parameters))))
>> 
>> I.e. the explicit `tty' parameter should be interpreted by make-frame as
>> overriding the window-system of the current frame.

> I won't object to such a change, but I must say I don't see how that
> would be more elegant than the current code in make-frame-on-tty.
> Perhaps even less elegant: make-frame-on-tty is a user command, so it
> can sustain more ugliness, if user-level considerations justify that.
> By contrast, make-frame is a general-purpose infrastructure, and
> introducing such conditions into it makes it less general.

I kind of agree.

- the user-level command make-frame-on-tty doesn't seem very useful and
  I'd be happy to remove it.

- if we remove it, then we have to replace the only call to it from
  Elisp, which is of course in server.el.
  I guess server.el can't be used under MS-DOS, so the test you added
  wouldn't be needed there anyway, so server.el could just as well use
  (make-frame `((window-system) (tty . ,tty) (tty-type . ,type) . ,parameters))
  so the uglyness is not really crucial in make-frame.

- still, when make-frame is called with an explicit `tty' argument but
  without an explicit `window-system' argument, the right thing to do is
  to give precedence to the `tty' and choose an appropriate
  window-system for it.
 

        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-03  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-12-27 18:23 Terminology in multi-tty primitives Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28  1:00 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28  4:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28  4:28     ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-28 19:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-28 19:43         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-12-29  5:31         ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-29 19:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-29 22:09         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-30  2:18           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-30 22:26             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  2:20                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31  3:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  4:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31  6:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 18:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:39                           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 21:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 21:55                               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 22:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-31 23:03                                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-12-31 16:38                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31 17:22                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31 19:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-01 17:13                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-02 13:56                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-03  2:32                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2009-01-03  9:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-04  3:14                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-04  3:29                                 ` Chetan Pandya
2009-01-04  3:41                                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-04  4:54                                     ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-30 22:27             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-31  5:31               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31  6:28                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-31  8:33                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-31 14:18                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-12-31 15:42                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-28 17:29 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-28 19:33   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-30 19:53   ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-27 18:16 Eli Zaretskii

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