From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Beeping Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:12:55 -0500 Message-ID: References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <87y6lxdvnl.fsf@mandingo.thematica.it> <87zl6dgjt1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <874oolarvt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87aay91k9j.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259295200 27187 80.91.229.12 (27 Nov 2009 04:13:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Giuseppe Scrivano , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov , Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Starb=E4ck?= , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 27 05:13:12 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NDsCm-0000Yt-Ep for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:13:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49946 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDsCl-0004ma-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:13:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDsCe-0004mM-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:13:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NDsCZ-0004kM-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:13:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45665 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NDsCZ-0004kJ-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:12:59 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:32023 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NDsCW-0004DM-VM; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:12:57 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuQEAKfgDktFpYc//2dsb2JhbACBTNQmhDEEihk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,299,1257138000"; d="scan'208";a="50138949" Original-Received: from 69-165-135-63.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.165.135.63]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2009 23:12:55 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4F270B40E6; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:12:55 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:12:49 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117844 Archived-At: > Maybe the problem is a bit different. There is currently no dedicated > mechanism in Emacs to go to command level. Instead a lot of functions > throws an error when they want to go to command level. > Could we not implement something like (command-level) akin to (top-level)? I think there's a misunderstanding here. Emacs usually tries to make sure commands do *something*, because it' good to return feedback. So when they don't, they often like to beep to indicate that they couldn't do what they were asked to do. I dislike the beep, so I always use the visual-bell instead. I don't think turning the bell into nothing at all is a good option. I'd rather try and address the reasons that prevent the visual-bell from being the default. Stefan