From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275926368 27176 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2010 15:59:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 15:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 07 17:59:27 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLejU-0000zA-7G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:59:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42565 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLejT-0002v5-PI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:59:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33426 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OLe6w-0004qu-Ho for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:19:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLe6q-0003Jg-0d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:19:28 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:25556 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLe6b-0003Hj-UT; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:19:14 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: An8HAEuqDExFpYBi/2dsb2JhbACBKp0ccr5ghRcEjGc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,378,1272859200"; d="scan'208";a="67508122" Original-Received: from 69-165-128-98.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.128.98]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2010 11:19:12 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 06F6E8175; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:19:12 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:22:51 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125586 Archived-At: > Since we opened that can of worms already by making C-f/C-b do logical > motion as opposed to the arrow keys doing visual motion, Actually, the arrow keys don't do "visual motion". They just use logical motion like C-f/C-b except that they switch direction depending on the current paragraph's default direction (i.e. right-arrow will still move left when in an R2L piece of text within an L2R paragraph, as can be seen in the arabic text in the HELLO file). > I should think it would make sense to disconnect C-n/C-p from the > vertical arrow keys as well and move them in a non-display-related > manner in the "keep the same C-f distance from the last LF" sense. > I have no good answer what to do about tabs, but I am likely in a lot > of company there. Anyway: likely the same with "C-a" "C-e" for > logical movement as contrasted to and for > visual movement. I have no intention to make any such change for now. Stefan