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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs development discussions <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 09:37:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvehk9sanv.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH8Pv0ihcHSqhvi2bMygwa9QBv5Mmr+bRphbfhmQQB-Fauj+Jw@mail.gmail.com> (Dani Moncayo's message of "Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:10:55 +0100")

> (a) They are ambiguous: here we are talking about _vertical_
> scrolling, and "forward"/"backward" could refer to horizontal
> scrolling too.

We could fix that by explicitly mentioning it's vertical scrolling.

> (b) They take the opposite criterion: while "up"/"down" refer to the
> movement of the text (relative to the window), "forward"/"backward"
> refer to the movement of the window (relative to the text).  So we end
> up with a confusing mix of criteria.

That's also a problem in your proposal.

> 1.  Rename the command `scroll-up' to `scroll-window-down' (an

While you can argue it's less ambiguous, you have to think about it
to remove the various ambiguities (e.g. you have think about it before
determining that it probably doesn't mean "scroll-window- as opposed to
scroll-frame-").
The up/down terminology is just to be avoided, I think.  Much clearer is
terminology that refers to the beginning/end of the text.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-04 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-04 14:10 Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 14:37 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2012-11-04 15:00   ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 17:07     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-04 17:30       ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 17:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 17:35         ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 18:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 19:10             ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-04 19:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-04 20:01                 ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 11:07                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-05 12:25                   ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 14:56                     ` Nix
2012-11-05 15:39                       ` Teemu Likonen
2012-11-07  8:12                       ` Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-11-13  9:05                         ` Bastien
2012-11-13 17:05                           ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-05  3:29           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-05  7:27             ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 12:44             ` Jambunathan K
2012-11-05  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-05  7:24       ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-05 23:32         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-06 21:29           ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-05 11:06 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-05 15:00   ` Nix
2012-11-06  1:25     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-06 17:24       ` Adrian Robert
2012-11-06 17:36         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-06 17:50         ` Drew Adams
2012-11-06 19:14           ` John Yates
2012-11-05 18:05 ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-06  1:53   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-07 16:31     ` Nix
2012-11-08  1:49       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-08 17:33         ` Nix
2012-11-08 18:14           ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-08 18:18             ` Nix
2012-11-08 18:39               ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-08 18:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09  9:50                 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:18                   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-08 18:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-08 18:48                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-08 19:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09  2:52                 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-09  7:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 14:20                     ` Nix
2012-11-09 14:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-09 20:24                         ` Nix
2012-11-10 11:09                         ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:40                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:11                             ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10  0:13                     ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-10  7:42                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:09                         ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:48                             ` Nix
2012-11-10 14:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:47                                 ` Nix
2012-11-10 14:10                             ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 14:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:50                                 ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 19:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 11:10                       ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:12                           ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09  9:51           ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:19             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-10 11:05               ` martin rudalics
2012-11-08  7:18       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-11-08 11:12         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08 15:43           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-08 17:35             ` Nix
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-06 17:55 Dmitry Gutov
2012-11-07  0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2012-11-07 15:17   ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 16:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-07 18:03       ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 18:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-07 21:00           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-07 21:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-08 22:18         ` Daniel Hackney
2012-11-07 21:12   ` Mathias Dahl
2012-11-07 21:41     ` Dmitry Gutov
2012-11-08 19:26       ` Bruce Korb
2012-11-13  9:07       ` Bastien
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     [not found] ` <20635.16010.769769.433949@winooski.ccs.neu.edu>
2012-11-08 16:48   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09  9:50     ` martin rudalics
2012-11-09 14:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-09 15:27         ` Eli Barzilay
2012-11-10 11:05         ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 11:38           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 14:09             ` martin rudalics
2012-11-10 14:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-10 18:49                 ` martin rudalics

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