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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:34:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvegifpoq6.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E6DA8C.1030403@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:16:28 +0300")

>> W.r.t ambiguity, the main problem I see is that we currently can never
>> be sure that when we see a ` followed by a ' the two actually form a pair.
>> A human usually can tell, but a program can't get it right 100% of the time.
> Okay.  But then, there's no problem in using the same quoting for key
> sequences, aside from the quote-matching algorithm.

I'm not fundamentally opposed to it, but I'd like the rule to be *simple*.

If we try and accommodate key sequences, I'm afraid the rule will become
too complex, and we'll bump into corner cases like how to
quote key sequences like C-x ' or M-`.  In most cases, there shouldn't
be key sequences in docstrings anyway since we should use \\[...]
instead, so there's no strong need to accommodate quoting of key sequences.

>> Not sure I want to go down that road.  What about `(foo 'a 'b)' ?
> That, too.  At least if this quote-matching logic is implemented in Elisp,
> forward-sexp can take care of skipping the spaces.

Yes, again it can be made to work.  But what it boils down to is this:
- `...' can't handle all cases without breaking existing uses, so we'll
  need another quoting mechanism anyway.
- in most cases, I don't see a strong need to quote code like (foo a b).
  Maybe at some point we'll start doing things like "prettifying" the
  code in docstrings, at which point we'll need it to be quoted, but
  until that happens, the cost/benefit tradeoff is in favor of keeping
  the code unquoted.
- so I don't see a strong need to accommodate quoting like `(foo a b)'.
  If the simple rule we devise happens to allow it, that's fine,
  of course.


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-03 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150831061236.27796.57762@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1ZWIKb-0007FR-Kk@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31  6:26   ` [Emacs-diffs] master b533552 2/5: Documentation fixes re quotes Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:39     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31  6:47       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31  7:00           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  7:13             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  0:03           ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02  1:05             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  1:27               ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02  1:30                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  5:19                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02  5:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 16:32                       ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 15:38               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 17:42                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 18:49                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 21:50                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:08                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 22:47                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:59                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-07  1:28               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <E1ZWIKd-0007Fs-15@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31  6:29   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:38     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 17:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:40       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 18:48       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  7:35         ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31 17:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:03       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  1:55         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-09-01  3:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01  6:29           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 10:45           ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 10:53             ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-01 11:22             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 11:40               ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 11:42               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 12:06                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 14:20                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 10:16                     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-03 11:22                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 14:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-03 15:04                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 13:31               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 14:15                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 15:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02  4:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02  5:28                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 10:02                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 11:22                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 15:53                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 16:38                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 15:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-03 17:26                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 16:32                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 17:23                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 17:43                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 22:25                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 10:48                             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 12:45                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-03 14:46                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-02 22:13                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 12:22                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-03 14:56                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-04 13:22                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 20:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:25               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-07  1:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01 19:33               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02  2:34                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02  5:23                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 11:16                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 11:52                     ` Quoting yank/diff prefixes (was: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim) David Kastrup
2015-09-03 14:34                     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-09-01 22:57             ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Richard Stallman
2015-09-01  0:03     ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01  1:20       ` Paul Eggert

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