From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:34:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvegifpoq6.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E6DA8C.1030403@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:16:28 +0300")
>> W.r.t ambiguity, the main problem I see is that we currently can never
>> be sure that when we see a ` followed by a ' the two actually form a pair.
>> A human usually can tell, but a program can't get it right 100% of the time.
> Okay. But then, there's no problem in using the same quoting for key
> sequences, aside from the quote-matching algorithm.
I'm not fundamentally opposed to it, but I'd like the rule to be *simple*.
If we try and accommodate key sequences, I'm afraid the rule will become
too complex, and we'll bump into corner cases like how to
quote key sequences like C-x ' or M-`. In most cases, there shouldn't
be key sequences in docstrings anyway since we should use \\[...]
instead, so there's no strong need to accommodate quoting of key sequences.
>> Not sure I want to go down that road. What about `(foo 'a 'b)' ?
> That, too. At least if this quote-matching logic is implemented in Elisp,
> forward-sexp can take care of skipping the spaces.
Yes, again it can be made to work. But what it boils down to is this:
- `...' can't handle all cases without breaking existing uses, so we'll
need another quoting mechanism anyway.
- in most cases, I don't see a strong need to quote code like (foo a b).
Maybe at some point we'll start doing things like "prettifying" the
code in docstrings, at which point we'll need it to be quoted, but
until that happens, the cost/benefit tradeoff is in favor of keeping
the code unquoted.
- so I don't see a strong need to accommodate quoting like `(foo a b)'.
If the simple rule we devise happens to allow it, that's fine,
of course.
Stefan
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[not found] ` <E1ZWIKb-0007FR-Kk@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31 6:26 ` [Emacs-diffs] master b533552 2/5: Documentation fixes re quotes Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 6:39 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 6:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 6:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 7:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 7:13 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 0:03 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 1:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 1:27 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 1:30 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 5:19 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 5:30 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:40 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 16:32 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 15:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 17:42 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 18:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 21:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-07 1:28 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <E1ZWIKd-0007Fs-15@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31 6:29 ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 6:38 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 17:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 18:48 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 7:35 ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31 17:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:03 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 1:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-09-01 3:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 6:29 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 10:45 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 10:53 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-01 11:22 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 11:40 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 11:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 12:06 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 14:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 10:16 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-03 11:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 14:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-03 15:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 13:31 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 14:15 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 15:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 4:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 5:28 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 10:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 11:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 15:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 16:38 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 15:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-03 17:26 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 16:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 17:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 17:43 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 22:25 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 10:48 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 12:45 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-03 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-02 22:13 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 12:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-03 14:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-04 13:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:25 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-07 1:28 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01 19:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 2:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02 5:23 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 11:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 11:52 ` Quoting yank/diff prefixes (was: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim) David Kastrup
2015-09-03 14:34 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2015-09-01 22:57 ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Richard Stallman
2015-09-01 0:03 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01 1:20 ` Paul Eggert
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