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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: hash-consing bignums and eq==eql
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:50:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvefeggb35.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 075ee700-d431-9434-c9d9-a7b3ae3f17fa@cs.ucla.edu

> This keeps 'eq' fast, and causes eq to start to "work" on floats whose
> bottom few bits are zero.
>> the distinction between eq and eql for integers leads to subtle bugs that
>> are best excluded by design, IMHO.
> Common Lisp and Scheme both have this distinction, and they seem to be doing
> OK. In this particular tradeoff between performance and nicer behavior, most
> Lisp users seem to prefer performance.

FWIW, I think this is a historical mistake and makes for many programs
being fundamentally yet unnecessarily not platform-independent (although
of course in practice the problem rarely manifests itself).

If you take EQ==EQL as a starting point, I think it's always reasonably
easy to get performance close enough to what you can get with a "faster
EQ".

Actually, I'm not opposed to having a low-level "fast equality test".
What I dislike is that this fast equality test be so prominent that we
encourage its use as the *standard* test, instead of keeping its use for
particular cases where the speed actually matters.

IOW, I'd be OK with:

    (defalias 'fast-eq (symbol-function 'eq))
    (defalias 'eq (symbol-function 'eql))

[ and its equivalent in C.  ]


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-29 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20180821204439.62390209A6@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2018-08-22 12:36   ` [Emacs-diffs] master f18af6c: Audit use of lsh and fix glitches Pip Cet
2018-08-22 13:35     ` Ken Brown
2018-08-22 13:44       ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-22 15:50         ` Pip Cet
2018-08-22 17:27           ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-22 20:05             ` Pip Cet
2018-08-22 21:53               ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-22 20:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-23 14:55             ` Pip Cet
2018-08-23 15:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-24 18:00                 ` Pip Cet
2018-08-24 20:55                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-25 15:02                     ` Pip Cet
2018-08-25 18:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-25 21:24                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-28 14:08                 ` hash-consing bignums and eq==eql Stefan Monnier
2018-08-29 13:32                   ` Pip Cet
2018-08-29 19:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-08-29 19:31                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-29 20:50                       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2018-09-09  3:09                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-09  6:26                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-08-22 13:49       ` [Emacs-diffs] master f18af6c: Audit use of lsh and fix glitches Pip Cet
2018-08-22 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii

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