From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <83zha8tluq.fsf@gnu.org> <87v9kwi6ta.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83wo5ccgg4.fsf@gnu.org> <87lflshxtq.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <83mu68cbbb.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7wghxdz.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <87eerkgey1.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> <112aecd7-8165-6cae-ef69-08d14d843841@yandex.ru> <5d158a63-7173-424c-9d9f-ce7856f1eae7@default> <4bb36686-34e7-4ac8-898c-74e254902349@default> <29f65907-affb-481e-82f3-62522a766f69@default> <83sgfybn22.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="100164"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Richard Stallman , Andreas =?windows-1252?Q?R=F6hler?= , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , homeros.misasa@gmail.com, tkk@misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp, Sergey Organov , Stefan Kangas , dgutov@yandex.ru, Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams To: Jean-Christophe Helary Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 19:07:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaMkv-000Puy-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 19:07:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56990 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaMku-0002HL-7e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:07:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58574) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaMk9-0001Qd-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:19440) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaMk8-0000Om-Gf; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:28 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8D83C440409; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id ECD2A440404; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:24 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1589735184; bh=Ef4i7aBNWUKBb6stmPkgSALyTdXJ78TnDZv4Bang/Dc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=pDMVZRtjH2J14M/jqCsuPiQLrPqSjwLvkavapxqieefwRiHgiDMJHx8KBCKXxC959 g2C3XH5wezvt9qP9A18fBJOS4FribB+kChVJn8m9d+MNBgePvpshgL+CEl7rI6biVB 8bd+6HF63U+vs0NvOkNFnhr/ieW0rtiE7c9Umc5wKFxC7inhujPJ0dBDT9+JoIpIW/ SKuAtE7Icoh1XVITG2l/i+91LNEw7w9UGJGoSbl+VQ14D13rnWsW9WOKj2cxkCAWpR 4IcqiPYgkomISsF8RSceXQTZbXLS8ts8UCQaf7+SfPCgyQttELrZg7AU7NrmIe9uT6 Pl0iXQWPYTpXg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [216.154.27.250]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6575112038D; Sun, 17 May 2020 13:06:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Jean-Christophe Helary's message of "Mon, 18 May 2020 00:48:00 +0900") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/17 13:00:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250624 Archived-At: > I was just mentioning that vs Drew's "in emacs the mini buffer *can* be in > a frame". Because *that* requires a lot of manually installing packages that > he refers to here: > > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/OneOnOneEmacs FWIW, to get started, you just need: emacs -Q --eval "(setq default-frame-alist '((minibuffer . nil)))" But this indeed just begs the question of how to *manage* that minibuffer-only frame (i.e. make it so that it's easily accessible when the user needs it but it doesn't constantly get in the way the rest of the time). I don't know of any package/theme/thingy that provides a good solution to that yet. I think such a thing could be very useful&popular, so I'd encourage you (or whoever else) to take a stab at it. Stefan