From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:20:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874krvup4i.fsf@gnu.org> <835zcag76g.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftbenz0p.fsf@gnu.org> <83wo4k8r9s.fsf@gnu.org> <20200606095851.GB28645@tuxteam.de> <83v9k48pwn.fsf@gnu.org> <20200606201819.GA18889@tuxteam.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="71914"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: tomas@tuxteam.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 07 00:21:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jhhBu-000Id2-4P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Jun 2020 00:21:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48334 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhhBt-00029M-5i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:21:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60356) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhhBH-0001LS-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:16913) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jhhBG-0003Bf-Jk; Sat, 06 Jun 2020 18:20:47 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 618DA1002FA; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 18:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CFB0A10029E; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 18:20:43 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1591482043; bh=QLtY13MhxPABRgejp+MTIrkImNpBnlUqe/EV0eYiXcs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=m2uoa5G5qJsgM88YCl3VFopH5oNkggJOFdIScijW9Tz2OmTkJf0/0G97Rj1MlyMKE zujigJbzcp3X6BWPo6cHbqrUrKtu5sihvUzedcBg6PFueiI0hBYFqDxh+uTgOa05+W 4Hm35UxXrKIAvbprAfRj0CLwkKWYuoVZxutWL5dLizgKPKQ6HOITAvNTmrgVaEMG6j xfs8ZqD7uj2JvdUrYvmLS0w5/B2Tgwv7z4iaRlr2O/soXg1BKAHFnmSWdnE8f/Bt2n V81XHPvJ3McaOOcqDocq/XsLP9hAgtwZOBExSNRJlZibFDJcq1BqlOBf44hHjx8HTp WkEX7JvkSHiMg== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [157.52.17.179]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A749120C75; Sat, 6 Jun 2020 18:20:43 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20200606201819.GA18889@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de's message of "Sat, 6 Jun 2020 22:18:19 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/06/06 18:14:32 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251976 Archived-At: > - Rudel: a collaborative editing environment for Emacs. > It's even on Elpa and has a page on Emacswiki [1] > It seems to be based on the Gobby protocol Yes, it's in GNU ELPA, but it's been on life-support for several years. It would benefit quite significantly from someone digging into it and making it use libgnutls rather than gnutls-cli. Streamlining the setup would also be quite useful. Stefan