From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: But then what are namespaces ? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:31:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20211001070242.GC16352@tuxteam.de> <1dd5e2c1f42bce50dc26@heytings.org> <6969a83a74f7bebe69f2@heytings.org> <6969a83a74b57d3d7839@heytings.org> <6969a83a7447c1963410@heytings.org> <6969a83a74ab69ebd555@heytings.org> <6969a83a74f286a96423@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5051"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Gregory Heytings , tomas@tuxteam.de, Stefan Kangas , Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel To: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 03 01:35:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoXj-0001BI-Qh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 01:35:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34560 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoXi-0005Dz-LY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoTI-00076Z-4w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:31:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:4488) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWoTE-0003OI-9s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 19:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 52E4D10038B; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 56DEA10018E; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:31:03 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1633217463; bh=1z7C7b25cLdot219cfG7oUzI0occv0eI+VfSkVnQOdI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=O1Z7mb4j10XZ1AryobSq5K4xmmYCO5aB7cjowO+IWjfh8O3eXa3xc+ZfZGes+6Lfp PBjaS0fe18Vt48Xlook4jD+h6C2HliWtGSGig8a+Y7lkvJao702M271D9tlWLhU6+o oeXLVL/Avx61ara+pSBVRUaWUd1yIlPXsAYrf6767s6t/UqGryecLC4d9sn6GwDYdE yKAdlM7fLqiEBbU6bX0L699iGv38QH1nEEesQbrLaJkyQFcv5jAUArHq+HKVD5Ghak 3D5+ehVNWwye6N8qXyffX7cqYno66/JE7bnCyd8g5eRFcWGdD41zQEdasAyzoGcj9q LTmrOTOEMgFVg== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.241.23]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0440F120475; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 19:31:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Jo=E3o_T=E1vora=22's?= message of "Sat, 2 Oct 2021 23:41:06 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276093 Archived-At: > Ah! It wasn't a dream, but it wasn't for ELS either. It's in your > personal webpage: > > https://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~monnier/hopl-4-emacs-lisp.pdf [ That was a temporary URL for the draft. The better URL is: https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3386324 ] Ah, right. Well, we only mention existing attempts, rather than present our own design, but yes, we do discuss namespaces, indeed (a bit like lexical scoping, it's been a recurring topic for many years now, so it had to appear in that HOPL paper). Stefan