From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <86tthjcxd1.fsf@gnu.org> <86msnbcvf7.fsf@gnu.org> <86ed8ncv2g.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35652"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: dancol@dancol.org, acm@muc.de, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 23 21:55:44 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTJP-00093P-T7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 21:55:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTJ3-0001EZ-Hl; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTJ1-0001Ct-B9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sLTIz-0002Uj-Tt; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:19 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 25AF0100120; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:16 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1719172515; bh=0IP4Jlt0d6Id/KqwdmPw++mJ/RY9zvQuNM//gTDybk8=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=EXk62nnli8GOo155eNtv31sLSx56eIq1zXMBT27Vr04mLy3JcyOkNMtXHNta7RpG7 0wUX8I6ivloA7CTB0Olb6hDsjCTGL1gPr4wuKUCwjNxcWMV4StZiInTsf22fBKFvW0 UNo5cRhq8fr7GLRU295zTfU7+Z40Pe2nZxGld55rqZ9bqmgkcz2uxfVyUy03FzNVe/ 65TXX2Fi/rfAypRSaVmQU32sZI23I9JRlW1y1e997FzvajYyQ7/Ee3TPt3AsgxzbIf JecGzA15OpNt9BrDGn9/NlP7yT7rGp/GMtQNsfISXJk6zwTIqq4uBy2dMe8wq+Iz/N IgLXqCmnrDw2A== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 06BCC100048; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [24.140.236.196]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C262F12021C; Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:55:14 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <86ed8ncv2g.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2024 22:34:15 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320568 Archived-At: > Actually, even more than that: it makes little sense to me to have by > default key bindings to a package that is not preloaded. I don't > think we have any precedent for this. We do have several keybindings to autoloaded functions. The bindings in the `C-x v` keymap come to mind, for instance, but I'm pretty sure we have many more. Stefan