From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 23.0.60; emacs-report-bug fails silently Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:50:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874p8fi9op.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87od6lc1bd.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <87skvwdztw.fsf@gmail.com> <87fxrvejho.fsf@gmail.com> <20080603082635.GB13718@tomas> <20080605124158.GA28579@tomas> <20080605164347.GZ10430@volo.donarmstrong.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212695461 19763 80.91.229.12 (5 Jun 2008 19:51:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 19:51:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 05 21:51:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K4LUi-0001K6-5C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:51:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54706 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K4LTv-0007fF-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K4LTr-0007f2-OT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:50:39 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K4LTq-0007eq-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=41884 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K4LTq-0007en-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from 206-248-132-168.dsl.teksavvy.com ([206.248.132.168]:47423 helo=ceviche.home) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K4LTq-0008R2-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 67BC3B4248; Thu, 5 Jun 2008 15:50:37 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20080605164347.GZ10430@volo.donarmstrong.com> (Don Armstrong's message of "Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:43:47 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98484 Archived-At: >> Actually no. As a counterexample, for my laptop, "the destination" >> will never be "reachable" (smtp-wise). I have an smtp running on it >> because my distro insists on it and I don't feel like fighting it. > Almost all of the sane distributions configure their default MTA to > send to some smarthost by default. [I know that's how exim, postfix, > and nullmailer are configured in Debian.] That requires user-interaction. It may require updating, etc... Unless actively uses `sendmail' to send his email, he'll completely forget to update/fix/configure this, past the initial setup. All popular MUAs encourage you to not use sendmail, AFAICT. Stefan