Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

If I understand it correctly customize-set-variable can be used for 
those who prefer to edit .emacs rather than use the custom interface.

Is that correct? If so should not this be documented in Info?

Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Robert J. Chassell]

   If I understand it correctly customize-set-variable can be used for
   those who prefer to edit .emacs rather than use the custom interface.

The two I know of are custom-set-faces and custom-set-variables.  They
are put automatically into an initialization file by the Custom user
interface (that is how I discovered them) and can be edited manually.

Their expressions look like this (from my .emacs file):

        (custom-set-variables '(Info-fontify t))

        (custom-set-faces
         '(font-lock-comment-face
           ((((class color) (background dark)) (:foreground "yellow")))))

    If so should not this be documented in Info?

Yes, they should; I did not realize they weren't!

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Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Robert J. Chassell wrote:
>    If I understand it correctly customize-set-variable can be used for
>    those who prefer to edit .emacs rather than use the custom interface.
> 
> The two I know of are custom-set-faces and custom-set-variables.  They
> are put automatically into an initialization file by the Custom user
> interface (that is how I discovered them) and can be edited manually.
> 
> Their expressions look like this (from my .emacs file):
> 
>         (custom-set-variables '(Info-fontify t))
> 
>         (custom-set-faces
>          '(font-lock-comment-face
>            ((((class color) (background dark)) (:foreground "yellow")))))
> 
>     If so should not this be documented in Info?
> 
> Yes, they should; I did not realize they weren't!

custom-set-variable is on another level.

I think there maybe is missing a very important piece of information 
from the doc string of custom-set-variables. Doest not calling that 
function set where to store customizations too?

Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Juri Linkov]

>>    If I understand it correctly customize-set-variable can be used for
>>    those who prefer to edit .emacs rather than use the custom interface.
>>
>> The two I know of are custom-set-faces and custom-set-variables.  They
>> are put automatically into an initialization file by the Custom user
>> interface (that is how I discovered them) and can be edited manually.
>>
>> Their expressions look like this (from my .emacs file):
>>
>>         (custom-set-variables '(Info-fontify t))

BTW, `Info-fontify' is an obsolete variable according to the comment
in `Info-mode-hook'.

>>         (custom-set-faces
>>          '(font-lock-comment-face
>>            ((((class color) (background dark)) (:foreground "yellow")))))
>>
>>     If so should not this be documented in Info?
>>
>> Yes, they should; I did not realize they weren't!
>
> custom-set-variable is on another level.

`customize-set-variable' is useful as a "command-line" replacement of the
Customization UI.

> I think there maybe is missing a very important piece of information from
> the doc string of custom-set-variables. Doest not calling that function
> set where to store customizations too?

Do you mean the docstring of `custom-set-variables' should mention that
normally the function `custom-set-variables' should be called from the
init file .emacs?

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Juri Linkov wrote:
> `customize-set-variable' is useful as a "command-line" replacement of the
> Customization UI.

Thanks, I think that should be mentioned in the manual.

>> I think there maybe is missing a very important piece of information from
>> the doc string of custom-set-variables. Doest not calling that function
>> set where to store customizations too?
> 
> Do you mean the docstring of `custom-set-variables' should mention that
> normally the function `custom-set-variables' should be called from the
> init file .emacs?

I might misremember, but does not custom-set-variables make custom 
remember where to store changes? So perhaps calling it from somewhere 
else than that file might confuse custom?

Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Robert J. Chassell]

   BTW, `Info-fontify' is an obsolete variable according to the comment
   in `Info-mode-hook'.

So it is!  Thank you.  I wonder how many other obsolete customizations
I have.

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Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Stefan Monnier]

> I might misremember, but does not custom-set-variables make custom remember
> where to store changes?

AFAIK it doesn't.



        Stefan

Re: Why not tell about customize-set-variable?

[Lennart Borgman (gmail)]

Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I might misremember, but does not custom-set-variables make custom remember
>> where to store changes?
> 
> AFAIK it doesn't.


Thanks, you are right.

Though there are still reasons to tell about customize-set-variable.