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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Bidi support
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:59:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvd46pjae3.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8363cjipz6.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:05:33 +0300")

>> I was thinking of bidi for Emacs-24
> If history is of any significance, I may not live until Emacs 24.  And
> for some strange reason, the burden of adding this feature seems to be
> on my shoulders and no one else's: no development happened in this
> direction for the last several years, even though most of the
> low-level code was sitting on a branch (courtesy of Handa-san) for the
> last 4 years.

Has this branch been kept up-to-date w.r.t the trunk?
I'd guess not.  In that case, someone should do it.

I just took a look at that branch, and it doesn't look too terrible.
It made me discover the variable direction-reversed which I didn't
even know existed (and it seems that it currently has no effect :-(

> So I'd prefer it to happen sooner rather than later, at least to the
> point where the foundations are in place and others can contribute
> the rest.

Agreed.  The more I think about it, the more I think we need to open
a new branch for "what will become emacs-24".  Kind of like what we did
with the emacs-unicode branch.  I think bidi should be one of the first
features to install on that branch.

>> but if you have code ready for it
>> and if it's not too intrusive, I'd be willing to consider it.

> It is not ``ready'' in the sense that it is not yet production
> quality.  It does not yet support all the features of the Emacs
> display engine.  But it can already display bidirectional text, for
> now only in a left-to-right paragraph and only if the text has no
> faces and overlays.  The code that reorders characters for display
> isn't activated until you flip a buffer-local variable, and then only
> in that buffer.  Is that ``not too intrusive'' enough?

I think it will stay unstable for too long, so it's not good enough for
the current trunk (which I'd like to keep for shorter-term changes).


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-21 18:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-18 18:35 using libmagic in Emacs? joakim
2009-08-18 19:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-18 20:01   ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-18 20:35     ` joakim
2009-08-18 21:11       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19  2:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-19  3:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-19 13:47             ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 15:57               ` joakim
2009-08-19 19:46               ` next bugfix release? [was: Re: using libmagic in Emacs?] Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 21:06                 ` next bugfix release? Chong Yidong
2009-08-19 21:53                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-19 22:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-19 23:16                     ` Nick Roberts
2009-08-20  9:02                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-20 11:19                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-20 15:13                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-08-20 15:47                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-19 19:05             ` installing features on trunk (was: using libmagic in Emacs?) Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 18:59               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2009-08-21 20:44                 ` Bidi support Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-22  3:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  8:18                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-22  5:39                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-22  7:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  1:45                   ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24  7:17                       ` Kenichi Handa
2009-08-24  3:25                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-19  0:57   ` using libmagic in Emacs? Juri Linkov
2009-08-20  3:42     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-22 23:36       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  0:07         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-24  0:17           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-24  7:33             ` joakim
2009-08-25  2:08             ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25  2:19               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-25  5:09                 ` joakim
2009-08-25 13:27                 ` James Cloos
2009-08-25 21:41                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-08-25 17:36               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-25 20:37               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29 23:19               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-30  3:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-30 20:54                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  2:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-31 16:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 17:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01 12:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-01 16:12                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 21:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-09-03 19:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-04  7:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 22:21                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  3:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31 15:03                     ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-31 16:19                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31 23:47                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01  3:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-09-01  5:37                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-09-01 12:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-25 20:36           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-19 22:49   ` joakim
2009-08-19 23:20     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-20  1:03     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20  3:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-20  4:50         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21  0:19             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-20 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-22  5:03             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-23  1:03               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 13:57     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-20 19:19       ` joakim
2009-08-20 22:08         ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21  9:55           ` joakim
2009-08-21 11:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 17:38               ` joakim
2009-08-21 17:46                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-08-21 18:31                 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-21 19:13                   ` Drew Adams
2009-08-21 18:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 21:48                   ` joakim
2009-08-21 22:46                     ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-22 20:18                       ` joakim
2009-08-22 23:13                         ` Ken Raeburn
2009-08-23 23:38                           ` joakim
2009-08-24  3:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-24 12:30                               ` joakim
2009-08-23  3:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-21 19:18               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-21 13:19             ` Andreas Schwab
2009-08-20 18:32     ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-20 20:27       ` Reiner Steib
2009-08-21 14:08         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-21 19:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  0:27 ` Language identification (was: using libmagic in Emacs) Juri Linkov
2009-08-28  4:58   ` Language identification Stefan Monnier
2009-08-28  9:00     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 14:56       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29  4:11         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 14:21           ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-29  0:46       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29  4:13         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-29 15:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-29 16:27             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-28 19:16     ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-29  1:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-30 16:01         ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 20:20       ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-29 22:48         ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-31  3:32           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-31  8:42             ` David Kastrup
2009-08-31  8:59             ` Jan D.
2009-08-31  3:33           ` Richard Stallman
2009-08-28  6:45   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28  6:46   ` Alex Ott
2009-08-28 19:08     ` Juri Linkov

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