From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: make-variable-buffer-local change Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <200909251609.n8PG97YN020225@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <6A896C20C65941FE96D239B7E5A1C667@us.oracle.com> <83fxaau9hd.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253912894 9830 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2009 21:08:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, dann@ics.uci.edu, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 25 23:08:06 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MrI1M-0007Eh-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:08:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49438 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MrI1L-0007Dh-GZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MrHyn-0005ED-KT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MrHyi-00058B-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:05:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=46585 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MrHyi-000582-RV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:05:20 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:60864) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MrHyZ-0000Rs-4l; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:05:11 -0400 Original-Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n8PL50dU022891; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:05:01 -0400 Original-Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1D5DE3A227; Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:04:59 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83fxaau9hd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:09:50 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3371=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115637 Archived-At: >> > I'd say "use" covers both kinds of use, but I'll defer to natives. >> It's not a question of native speakers. "Use" here refers to what the >> string is _for_; what it is used for. There are often different ways to look at it. E.g. Let's say that a mode displays two columns of text and set tab-width to half-the window-width for that purpose; is it "using" tab-width? I'd say yes. Similarly, I tend to think that PCL-CVS "uses" list-buffers-directory in order to improve the behavior of uniquify. In general, variables are a means of communication, and each side of the communication thinks of itself as "using" the variable and the other side(s) as "providing" the variable. >> Just get rid of "Dired, shell and other modes use this variable." > Sorry, I happen to disagree. This is important information for such > an obscure feature. The alternative is let the user grep the whole > lot of Lisp sources. If you don't want to get rid of it, then I think it's worthwhile to improve it and mention that it is used also (on the other side) by list-buffers and by uniquify. Stefan