From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9875: 24.0.90; Confusing description of the "window tree" in ELisp manual Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:17:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319638715 12311 80.91.229.12 (26 Oct 2011 14:18:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 9875@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 26 16:18:31 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4JG-0001vX-US for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:18:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53112 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4JG-0007hb-Df for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:18:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:42192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4JE-0007hH-54 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4J8-0007Xz-VA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4J8-0007Xv-SR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:18:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4Kn-0004xr-IV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:20:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9875 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9875-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9875.131963874919019 (code B ref 9875); Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9875) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2011 14:19:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4Jx-0004wi-J6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RJ4Ju-0004wK-RK for 9875@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:19:08 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ak0JAHoVqE5MCrTo/2dsb2JhbABCqC+BD4EGgW4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIE7ULiGoEoUCERQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,409,1315195200"; d="scan'208";a="144559990" Original-Received: from 76-10-180-232.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.180.232]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 26 Oct 2011 10:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0A42E58BBC; Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:43:30 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 10:20:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:53151 Archived-At: > This node starts fine, by describing window-frame and window-list. > Then it begins to describe the "window tree", and that's where things > go wrong. The main problem is that the non-leaf nodes of the window > tree are referred to as "windows", which makes it all too easy to > confuse them with the leafs of the window tree, each one of which I think the first step is to choose a single name for those, and then use it systematically. I think we should simply call "window" the traditional "real" "live" "leaf" windows that display a buffer. As for the other ones, we could go for "internal window", but I think "parent window" is better, tho maybe someone has a better idea ("compound window", "super window", ... ?) Stefan